Such dreams as stuff is made on

[Mark Thibodeau]

The modern dance section from V. certainly has the feel of Parisian
fin-de-siecle post-Romantic "Satanism" to it.

 Jerky

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 10:16 AM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Kafka, anyone?
>
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 6:30 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I might add in a general way that many writers in what we might call the
> > Gothic nightmare genre
> > could fit the bill but often outside a technology trope, maybe? Fulfilling
> > the literal question asked in the last paragraph.
> >  Poe's Tell-Tale Heart tale comes to mind as a pure-enough example. He has
> > more, of course.
> > . Re the technology trope, Frankenstein sorta fits, correct? Melmoth the
> > Wanderer?
> > The Monk? Gothic castles, do they count?
> >
> > Just thinkin' unbidden.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 5:27 PM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think Mark has a point there (with anybody else I would have said, is
> > on
> > > the mark there): now that he mentions Burroughs I think he did it in
> > Naked
> > > Lunch, and, as Mark would say, we know that TRP has read NL. But he goes
> > > further, of course.
> > >
> > > Am So., 9. Dez. 2018 um 22:54 Uhr schrieb Mark Kohut <
> > mark.kohut at gmail.com
> > > >:
> > >
> > >> I've read many fewer Burroughs than he's written --and that long ago;
> > >> long before Pynchon immersion --but does he fit your bill?
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Dec 9, 2018, at 12:54 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > One of Pynchon's master tropes is to personify -- ascribe *agency* to
> > --
> > >> > resources and principles taken up by technology: coal and oil and
> > >> calculus
> > >> > and control theory in GR, astronomy and cartography in M&D,
> > electricity
> > >> and
> > >> > aviation and silver halides in AtD, virtual "real estate" and its
> > >> > monetization in BE, usw.
> > >> >
> > >> > His most-cited surfacing (and questioning!) of this is Enzian at the
> > >> ruined
> > >> > -- so They say -- Jamf works in Hamburg (518-521), alternating between
> > >> > "Technologies" lusting for their funding and "do you think we’d’ve had
> > >> the
> > >> > Rocket if someone, some specific somebody with a name and a penis
> > hadn’t
> > >> > wanted to chuck a ton of Amatol 300 miles and blow up a block full of
> > >> > civilians? Go ahead, capitalize the T on technology, deify it if it’ll
> > >> make
> > >> > you feel less responsible -- but it puts you in with the neutered,
> > >> > brother..."
> > >> >
> > >> > Can you suggest other major authors/works that make strong thematic
> > use
> > >> of
> > >> > this trope? In which it's stated or hinted that the "stuff" involved
> > in
> > >> > characters' drives and conflicts *wants* to be exploited, for ends
> > that
> > >> may
> > >> > not be ours?
> > >> > --
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> > >> --
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> > >>
> > >
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