NP but Somehow Pynchonian to me. Dreams in the Third Reich.

Sat Nov 9 18:51:52 UTC 2019

The article is interesting. I’m not an advocate of the political right but I don’t see the rise of fascism, or authoritarianism just yet... I see populism certainly, and lack of consensus, but the more fundamental drive (now) is a categorical rejection by both the far Left & Right of Liberalism with a capital L. 

Robert Paxton’s The Anatomy of Fascism (an enlightening book recommended on the P-List) provides a detailed synthesis on the 20th Century Fascist movements... 

I don’t think we’re at the Griffith’s “Palingenetic Ultranationalism” point yet, nor is there a WWI level crisis that would bring these nascent movements to the forefront...yet...
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Anatomy_of_Fascism.html?id=JU3th4LnKvsC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button

Attached below is an interesting article on the political right in France:
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/12/20/two-roads-for-the-new-french-right/

Also below is an interesting podcast with Sam Harris ( yes, yes I know... But him and Eric Weinstein are the only out of the so called IDW cohort whom I’m not convinced is a total fraud... but I could be wrong)

Listen to #160 — The Revenge of History from Making Sense with Sam Harris in Podcasts. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-sense-with-sam-harris/id733163012?i=1000441827903

As far as the States are concerned, I read this very interesting essay by Curtis Yarvin: 

https://americanmind.org/essays/the-clear-pill-part-1-of-5-the-four-stroke-regime/

Reminded me of Henry Adams towards the end of the Education. There is also the exchange between Michael Anton and BAP (Bronze Age Pervert) in the Claremont Review: 
https://www.claremont.org/crb/article/are-the-kids-altright/

And if you are curious about the BAP project attached below is a podcast by Justin Murphy:

Listen to BAP Theory with Geoffrey Miller from Other Life in Podcasts. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/other-life/id1195362330?i=1000455554735

Earlier this year I posted about an interview with Errol Morris regarding his film with Steve Bannon, and he’s right about these characters in the sense that though they want to wreck the system, and perhaps there critiques are just and deserve merit, but they have no idea what to replace with, and it’s not clear if there just clever trolls, con men, or frauds... 

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> On Nov 9, 2019, at 7:08 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There is an American woman asking Americans about their dreams since
> 2016. I'm sure it is findable if you are interested.
> 
> More than you might care to know, but not that embarrassing or revealing.
> For more reasons than the uncertainty and bad shit of our polity and times,
> I have been dreaming
> of being lost and struggling, struggling to even move and then not being
> able to get back.
> One Jungian dream, I say, about entering some kind
> of transport machine that landed me in Canada,  where I went to college as
> i've written, and I could not get back (but I kept trying to find the
> transport station) .
> As we know, many Americans went and stayed in Canada in the politically
> turbulent sixties.
> 
> And lately, after a personally volatile day and a volatile newsday, I was
> caught in the wilds of nature, with cliffs to slide down and trying to move
> in mud--
> this part surely comes from Margaret Atwood's *Surfacing*--and when I awoke
> the Sinatra song from Joker, *That's Life*
> were the first words in my mind.
> 
> Art isn't life unless you make it so.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIiUqfxFttM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 8:27 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Fascism's ongoing rise has certainly had an effect on my own dreams
>> and nightmares, that's for sure.
>> 
>> I find that my "dream self" is less certain of pretty much everyone he
>> encounters in dreams, be they friend, family, or composite. I have
>> more difficulty trusting these dream people, and they seem less
>> capable of being reasoned with. I've had many dreams of people
>> harboring hidden agendas and feeling more free to share their
>> "politically incorrect" (i.e. fascist) opinions about, say, people of
>> a different race, or people with a different set of political beliefs.
>> 
>> I feel as though a big part of the New Fascist International(e)
>> "project" has been the inoculation of the minds that they've targeted
>> for takeover against facts, reason, truth, evidence, crushingly
>> overwhelming expert consensus, etc, etc, etc... they just DO NOT CARE
>> that they're wrong. It's an infantile regression, one that could only
>> ever have happened in a society where the stakes have been made to
>> seem not all that important (again, purely an illusion).
>> 
>> I don't know. I'm rambling now. All this to say that, YES, the current
>> crisis has personally affected me, right down to my dreams. Not really
>> sure where I stand anymore.
>> 
>> Cheers;
>> Yer Old Pal Jerky
>> (YOPJ)
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 6:31 AM Kai Frederik Lorentzen
>> <lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Yes, sort of GERMAN, these episodes here. Well, these days Slothrop is
>>> even dreaming in the language. Folks have been teaching him dialects,
>>> Plattdeutsch for the zone the British plan to occupy, Thuringian if the
>>> Russians happen not to drive as far as Nordhausen, where the central
>>> rocket works is located."
>>> 
>>> Gravity's Rainbow, p. 240
>>> 
>>> Inspired by Beradt's book, the historian Reinhart Koselleck had a
>>> research program running on human experiences of time in times of terror
>>> & the methodological consequences for history science. Koselleck wasn't
>>> able to finish the overall project but there's an essay from the 1970s
>>> where his basic considerations can be found:
>>> 
>>> Reinhart Koselleck: Terror und Traum. Methodologische Anmerkungen zu
>>> Zeiterfahrungen im Dritten Reich. Pp. 278-299 in R.K.: Vergangene
>>> Zukunft. Zur Semantik historischer Zeiten. Frankfurt a.M. 1979: Suhrkamp.
>>> 
>>> The essay collection - "Future's Past: On the Semantics of Historical
>>> Time"  (NY 2004: Columbia University Press) - is available in English.
>>> Here comes the pdf:
>> https://www.academia.edu/33539151/Futures_Past_On_the_Semantics_of_Historical_Time_-_Reinhart_Koselleck_2014_1985_
>>> 
>>> The essay "Terror and Dream. Methodological remarks on the experience of
>>> Time during the Third Reich" can be found on pages 205-221.
>>> 
>>> "Traumdarstellungen aus den Konzentrationslagern eröffnen uns einen
>>> Bereich, wo der menschliche Verstand zu versagen scheint, wo seine
>>> Sprache verstummt. Die konzentrationären Träume zeichnen sich durch
>>> einen rapiden Verlust an Wirklichkeit aus, während Wachträume
>>> proportional dazu zunehmen. Damit werden wir in einen Bereich gestoßen,
>>> in dem offenbar die schriftsprachliche Quellenlage unzureichend wird, um
>>> überhaupt begreifen zu lernen, was der Fall war. Wir werden auf die
>>> Metaphorik der Träume verwiesen, um sehen zu lernen, was wirklich
>> geschah."
>>> 
>>> (pp. 288-289, here quoted after the fourth paperback edition from the
>>> year 2000)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 08.11.19 um 08:06 schrieb Mark Kohut:
>>>> https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/1192490281687568384?s=20
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