Not Pynchon but Kosinski (probably)

[Jemmy Bloocher]

Come and See was what first sprung to mind. I watched this years ago and
although I have the dvd(s), I haven't been able to watch it again. Telling
these histories, these horror stories is vital, albeit a grim procedural
almost. Sadly many won't or can't see them. I feel changed by them almost.
In only a positive way. Lenin said in his *What is to be done *that the
history of man is one of continual war and will continue to be so. Is this
forever?

Also it makes me think of Bond's Lear. That we are just aggressors. What
hope is there for us in the end?

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:51 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Horror abounds. This is a matter of fact. Nobody survives this, no matter
> what nation of your birth. I hail from Canada, ostensibly a civilised
> nation, but look into our past  We have done horrible things to millions of
> people.
>
> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 10:44 AM rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ive always wondered about the full transparent horror witnessed vs that
>> horror implied. The Painted Bird and other such films like Klimov's Come
>> and See being examples of the former, the (more recent) Nemes' Son of Saul
>> being the latter. I can't say the terrible things people do to each other
>> that is happening just to the side, away from a viewer's gaze isnt as
>> effective as say what Klimov depicts in Come and See, the mass murder in a
>> small Belorussian town in 1943 where men women and children are burned
>> alive in a barn by the SS and proxies while soldiers drink, laugh rape and
>> play music.
>> Son of Saul was able to depict one aspect of the Holocaust that I'm sure
>> many people thought couldnt be done (or in Lanzmann's terms shouldnt be
>> done, any such direct depiction being an insult (my words) to the victims.
>> hence his great film, Shoah). Son of Saul is able to do that without
>> graphic depictions of mass violence. it doesnt make what your watching any
>> less challenging or horrific. Lanzmann love the film, by the way
>>
>> rich
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 10:16 AM Jemmy Bloocher <jbloocher at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I am quite keen to see this.
>> >
>> > I am yet to actually walk out of a film, but the possibility is there I
>> > guess. I have fallen asleep a couple of times.
>> >
>> > Thanks for the article. Can people not close their eyes? Cover their
>> ears.
>> > Is the walking out because 'mass action'? Boredom I do understand; you
>> > don't get time back.
>> >
>> > Jb
>> >
>> > On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 11:02 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > The theater seats 522, but it was not filled to capacity (no word on
>> > > actual attendance). But if, let's say, ten percent of the audience
>> > > walked out, and they did so mostly in a bunch, all roughly at the same
>> > > time, that would definitely be seen as a significant walk-out, would
>> > > it not?
>> > >
>> > > By the way, leaving because you can't hack it isn't necessarily a
>> > > condemnation of the film (or play) being performed. Sometimes, you
>> > > just reach your limits, you know?
>> > >
>> > > yer old pal Jerky
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 4:59 PM bulb <bulb at vheissu.net> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > From the URL you posted (for which thank you):
>> > > >
>> > > > "TIFF programmer Dorota Lech introduced Vaclav Marhoul's film as a
>> > > "plunge
>> > > > into the darkest corners of the human soul," before around 40 people
>> > left
>> > > > the 522-seat theater."
>> > > >
>> > > > A "mass walk out"? 40 out of 522 is less than 8 percent...
>> > > >
>> > > > This Kosinski novel is brilliant (have not seen the movie).
>> > > >
>> > > > Michel.
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: Pynchon-l <pynchon-l-bounces at waste.org> On Behalf Of Mark
>> Kohut
>> > > > Sent: zaterdag 14 september 2019 20:51
>> > > > To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> > > > Subject: Not Pynchon but Kosinski (probably)
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/painted-bird-holocaust-drama-prompts-
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
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