Not even close to Pynchon

[Ian Livingston]

I was with you, ish, up to the part about america being old. This is a very
young nation, run by kids that never grew up for kids who will never grow
up. It is a children's den of self-centered babies who want either to be
the biggest bully on the block, or to escape to a place where there are no
parents who insist they behave like sapient humans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejlLpZiSKss

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:35 AM ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:

> I took that position and stand by it.
>
> And now, a vote for Biden is a vote for the business class and
> business as usual.
>
> Now, some realists argued that a vote, say, for Jill Stein was ok if
> you were in a state where Trump had no chance, but, as sick as Trump
> makes us everyday, Biden or Obama or whatever Business class Dem they
> put up, just smells a little better, looks a bit more civil and nice,
> smarter, saner,  but is as deadly to working people. Sure, Choice, for
> example, and the Courts, on a hundred issues that are super important,
> and so on, so we need to be real and get Trump out, but what will
> change is very little with the Dems, they are not substantially
> different from the Reps. And, now that Sanders, no socialist but
> merely a Left leaning Dem, out, we can expect that the Dems will race
> to the Right and if elected slide to the right and to the right again
> after elections to repay their corporate sponsors. To win back
> Democracy americans need more than a squad of centrists. and crisis
> after crisis is not enough to make the kind of radical change
> necessary. america is old. bunch of old folks don't make a revolution.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:17 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am old enough to remember when many Left friends of mine
> > who seem to respect Noam a lot, argued that voting for Clinton
> > that war monger was, maybe, an evil deed in their political worldview.
> >
> > https://twitter.com/SabinaBasha/status/995003488298926080?s=20
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