A New Perspective

Mark Kohut mark.kohut at gmail.com
Fri Aug 7 21:25:18 UTC 2020


Just browsed in a new book about those bombs at my local
bookstore......Japanese leadership
had gotten the US word of mo'mo vaporizing bombs and the announcement from
Russia and

Maybe it was all that that made them surrender finally?

Some historians must know records of what those leaders said in private
meetings, which might be the only way
to know, if even then.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:20 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> Weren’t
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:19 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Those other Japanese cities were vaporized instantly.  That’s a big
> > difference.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:01 PM Gary Webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> This article makes a pretty convincing argument
> >>
> >> “In the three weeks prior to Hiroshima, 26 cities were attacked by the
> >> U.S. Army Air Force. Of these, eight — or almost a third — were as
> >> completely or more completely destroyed than Hiroshima (in terms of the
> >> percentage of the city destroyed). The fact that Japan had 68 cities
> >> destroyed in the summer of 1945 poses a serious challenge for people who
> >> want to make the bombing of Hiroshima the cause of Japan’s surrender.
> The
> >> question is: If they surrendered because a city was destroyed, why
> didn’t
> >> they surrender when those other 66 cities were destroyed?”
> >>
> >> “The Japanese were in a relatively difficult strategic situation. They
> >> were nearing the end of a war they were losing. Conditions were bad. The
> >> Army, however, was still strong and well-supplied. Nearly 4 million men
> >> were under arms and 1.2 million of those were guarding Japan’s home
> >> islands.”
> >>
> >>
> https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/
> >>
> >> Up until quite recently, and even now human intelligence, or HUMINT, is
> a
> >> critical component for a drone strike, the Strategic Bombing campaign,
> >> dreamed of by Allied Bomber Command was something of a myth, or clever
> code
> >> for indiscriminate killing of civilians...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> >> On Aug 7, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Do you have any evidence for tha? I would think that 130,000 people
> >> killed
> >> > in an instant would have demonstrated the futility of further
> conflict,
> >> but
> >> > then about a week later came Nagasaki. what are armies and navies to
> do
> >> > versus nukes?
> >> > To look at it another way, within a decade Japan displaced many US
> >> > companies such as Morotorla, RCA Victor and others as the premier
> >> suppliers
> >> > of stereos, TVs and so on. After that came the Chinese wave, but the
> >> bottom
> >> > line is that the USA lost its grip because the corporations thought it
> >> more
> >> > profitable to send the jobs to Asia than to keep them at home. This
> >> applies
> >> > also to the garment industry (Guess, Tommy Hilfiger and numerous
> >> others);
> >> > it's not just a high-tech off-load. It goes all the way down to basic
> >> > foodstuffs
> >> >
> >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 3:15 PM rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Japan only surrendered because the Emperor stepped forward. I think
> >> much of
> >> >> the Japanese general staff wanted to fight on
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:10 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> But Russia didn’t have the bomb, so their planned invasion (into
> >> China,
> >> >>> notJapan) was weak tea.  Did Japan prefer US occupation to Russian
> >> >>> occupation?  Probably.
> >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:52 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> Yes. Good question.
> >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:49 PM Jonathon Hunt <jhuntstl at gmail.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>> Also, what really caused the US to drop the atomic bombs: Japan's
> >> >>> refusal
> >> >>>>> to surrender or Russia's planned invasion of Japan?
> >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 10:26 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >>
> https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/08/why-did-world-war-ii-end-2/
> >> >>>>>> August 6: Hiroshima bomb dropped.
> >> >>>>>> August 8: Soviet Union declares war on Japan and invades
> Manchuria.
> >> >>>>>> August 9: Nagasaki bomb dropped.
> >> >>>>>> August 10: Emperor Hirohito breaks the cabinet deadlock and
> decides
> >> >>> that
> >> >>>>>> Japan must surrender.
> >> >>>>>> So what really caused the Japanese to finally give up? Was it
> >> >>> America’s
> >> >>>>>> atomic bombs, or was it the Soviet Union’s entrance into the
> >> Pacific
> >> >>>>> war?
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