A New Perspective

[David Morris]

Weren’t

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:19 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> Those other Japanese cities were vaporized instantly.  That’s a big
> difference.
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:01 PM Gary Webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> This article makes a pretty convincing argument
>>
>> “In the three weeks prior to Hiroshima, 26 cities were attacked by the
>> U.S. Army Air Force. Of these, eight — or almost a third — were as
>> completely or more completely destroyed than Hiroshima (in terms of the
>> percentage of the city destroyed). The fact that Japan had 68 cities
>> destroyed in the summer of 1945 poses a serious challenge for people who
>> want to make the bombing of Hiroshima the cause of Japan’s surrender. The
>> question is: If they surrendered because a city was destroyed, why didn’t
>> they surrender when those other 66 cities were destroyed?”
>>
>> “The Japanese were in a relatively difficult strategic situation. They
>> were nearing the end of a war they were losing. Conditions were bad. The
>> Army, however, was still strong and well-supplied. Nearly 4 million men
>> were under arms and 1.2 million of those were guarding Japan’s home
>> islands.”
>>
>> https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/
>>
>> Up until quite recently, and even now human intelligence, or HUMINT, is a
>> critical component for a drone strike, the Strategic Bombing campaign,
>> dreamed of by Allied Bomber Command was something of a myth, or clever code
>> for indiscriminate killing of civilians...
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> >> On Aug 7, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Do you have any evidence for tha? I would think that 130,000 people
>> killed
>> > in an instant would have demonstrated the futility of further conflict,
>> but
>> > then about a week later came Nagasaki. what are armies and navies to do
>> > versus nukes?
>> > To look at it another way, within a decade Japan displaced many US
>> > companies such as Morotorla, RCA Victor and others as the premier
>> suppliers
>> > of stereos, TVs and so on. After that came the Chinese wave, but the
>> bottom
>> > line is that the USA lost its grip because the corporations thought it
>> more
>> > profitable to send the jobs to Asia than to keep them at home. This
>> applies
>> > also to the garment industry (Guess, Tommy Hilfiger and numerous
>> others);
>> > it's not just a high-tech off-load. It goes all the way down to basic
>> > foodstuffs
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 3:15 PM rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Japan only surrendered because the Emperor stepped forward. I think
>> much of
>> >> the Japanese general staff wanted to fight on
>> >>
>> >>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:10 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> But Russia didn’t have the bomb, so their planned invasion (into
>> China,
>> >>> notJapan) was weak tea.  Did Japan prefer US occupation to Russian
>> >>> occupation?  Probably.
>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:52 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> Yes. Good question.
>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:49 PM Jonathon Hunt <jhuntstl at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>> Also, what really caused the US to drop the atomic bombs: Japan's
>> >>> refusal
>> >>>>> to surrender or Russia's planned invasion of Japan?
>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 10:26 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/08/why-did-world-war-ii-end-2/
>> >>>>>> August 6: Hiroshima bomb dropped.
>> >>>>>> August 8: Soviet Union declares war on Japan and invades Manchuria.
>> >>>>>> August 9: Nagasaki bomb dropped.
>> >>>>>> August 10: Emperor Hirohito breaks the cabinet deadlock and decides
>> >>> that
>> >>>>>> Japan must surrender.
>> >>>>>> So what really caused the Japanese to finally give up? Was it
>> >>> America’s
>> >>>>>> atomic bombs, or was it the Soviet Union’s entrance into the
>> Pacific
>> >>>>> war?
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