An unexpected friendship? Was to me. And most/all? of the Plisters, I suggest

Fri Jan 24 12:04:49 UTC 2020

This is for Jochen---who asked me to find it.

So I digress:
My bookshelves have my books lined along them like most. Mostly,
at this stage of my life, hardcovers or the oversize [Trade] paperbacks.
But my whole life, from when I was poor and could not afford hardcovers,
and then because I wanted them,
I gathered a lot of small--mass market they call them--paperbacks.
( I recently unearthed a 'stripped cover' mass market copy of Gravity's
Rainbow!)

I have given most of those kind of paperbacks away. They disappear from the
little free libraries in our town. I imagine young people finding something
interesting to them they would never buy.  Keeping only some unavailable
mass titles that
still matter or will, i judge,. I keep those mostly stacked vertically *behind
*many of the
hardcover books on the  shelves. I sorta know what and where the stacks
are--and why.

So I went to my Shakespeare shelf and moved my Norton edition. There, as I
hoped and right on top---i knew I had seen it
in recent years, was AMERICAN REVIEW 16. With the story.......

Here's some trivial but I hope Plist interesting publishing detail: On the
cover, under the surreal cover picture---I will
take a pic and send--in red type on white with all other type black and
gray!--this story, *Innocence* as Jochen remembers correctly
 is billed as "on orra perkins's first orgasm by harold brodkey," case
sensitive.

To the open question: Early on: "After about ten minutes or so, I moved
inside her"....more, more....."her reaction was so minimal that I lost
faith in fucking"
...more. lots more....many, many great pages later......"I pushed in,
lingered, pulled back, went in, only half on beat, one-thonk-one-thonk,
then one-on-one"

I remembered the thonks with the wrong word.

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 6:17 AM Kai Frederik Lorentzen <lorentzen at hotmail.de>
wrote:

>
> " ... So I didn't move; I just held her thighs with my hands; and her
> things began to trail off, to trickle down, into little shiverings; the
> stoniness left her face; she calmed into moderated shudders, and then
> she said, she started to speak with wonder but then it became an
> exclamation and ended on a kind of a hollow note, the prelude to a small
> scream: she said, 'I CAME....' Or 'I ca-a-a-ammmmmmmme....' What
> happened was that she had another orgasm at the thought that she'd had
> her first.
>     That one was more like three little ones, diminishing in strength.
> When she was quieter, she was gasping, she said, 'Oh, you LOVE me....'"
>
> Harold Brodkey: Innocence
>
> (Pp. 161-194, here 193, in H.B.: Stories In An Almost Classical Mode,
> London: Picador)
>
> Am 23.01.20 um 15:25 schrieb Mark Kohut:
> > That great Brodkey story about fucking, right? Pretty much only about
> > fucking...but it contained a lot about love too.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 9:13 AM Jochen Stremmel<jstremmel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> ... a great cunnilingus tutorial,
> >>
> >> Remember another one by Brodkey, even more so.
> >>
> >> Am Do., 23. Jan. 2020 um 14:08 Uhr schrieb Charles Albert <
> >> cfalbert at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> The Day of The Jackal was excellent pulp...
> >>>
> >>> Included a great cunnilingus tutorial, which one impressionable lad
> took
> >>> to
> >>> heart many decades ago.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Fred....wherever you are.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> love,
> >>>
> >>> cfa
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 7:56 AM Mark Kohut<mark.kohut at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> + ... "DEAR TOM GUINZBURG WHEREVER YOU ARE, I THOUGHT YOU WOULD LIKE
> TO
> >>>> KNOW I'M NUMBER EIGHT AND MY FRIEND FREDDIE IS NUMBER TWO."/ Pynchon
> was
> >>>> referring to the fact that Frederick Forsyth's second thriller, THE
> >>>> ODESSA FILE, was No. 2 on the NEW YORK TIMES bestseller list and
> >>>> GRAVITY'S RAINBOW was No. 8 ... +
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> https://books.google.de/books?id=btgXCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT127&lpg=PT127&dq=frederick+forsyth+pynchon&source=bl&ots=XzztUaCr-x&sig=ACfU3U2w-d_zdetjCnDUBZyOPsvwhe1IvA&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB9fPp0ZTnAhVS4aQKHZaLBZQQ6AEwAnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=frederick%20forsyth%20pynchon&f=fals
> >>>> <
> >>>>
> >>>
> https://books.google.de/books?id=btgXCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT127&lpg=PT127&dq=frederick+forsyth+pynchon&source=bl&ots=XzztUaCr-x&sig=ACfU3U2w-d_zdetjCnDUBZyOPsvwhe1IvA&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB9fPp0ZTnAhVS4aQKHZaLBZQQ6AEwAnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=frederick%20forsyth%20pynchon&f=false
> >>>> e
> >>>>
> >>>> One might infer that the friendship began around the time of Freddie's
> >>>> first book, a runaway bestseller,* The Day of the Jackal.* 1971 His
> >>>> publisher was
> >>>>   Viking. Pynchon's publisher..
> >>>>
> >>>> *“The Day of the Jackal makes such comparable books such as The
> >>> Manchurian
> >>>> Candidate and The Spy Who Came in from the Cold seem like Hardy Boy
> >>>> mysteries.”—The New York Times    ( memory or recreated one: made me
> >>> want
> >>>> to read it---but I didn't) *
> >>>>
> >>>> Such a quote *would *appeal to TRP. We know he has read Le Carre and
> >>> liked
> >>>> him without reservations of 'genre'. We also seem to know that he
> often,
> >>>> through his agent, Ms Donadio and other industry insiders, got new
> >>> books to
> >>>> read before they were published*. Catch--22* seems almost
> >>> circumstantially
> >>>> provable as just one he read before publication.
> >>>>
> >>>> Then there is the forgotten Richard Condon. of *The Manchurian
> >>> Candidate.
> >>>> *Once
> >>>> compared to "satirists" like, O, Thomas Pynchon and some other black
> >>>> humorists. (Latterly, discredited for some plagiarism, including,
> >>> someone
> >>>> showed, passages of MC 'taken' from Graves,* I, Claudius.! *[A
> >>> post-modern
> >>>> mixer before the mix times? ] Famous for his* LISTS!*! Pynchon list
> >>> fans.
> >>>> Famous for extended metaphors ---"complex sentences that go bang at
> the
> >>>> end"...and for
> >>>> the fiction of information. Condon to Pynchon, like those
> >>>> lost English writers who did the inferior Hamlets and King Lears
> before
> >>>> Shakey?
> >>>> Wikipedia: "The fiction of information"[edit
> >>>> <
> >>>>
> >>>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Condon&action=edit&section=4
> >>>> ]
> >>>>
> >>>> Condon's works are difficult to categorize precisely: A 1971 *Time
> >>> magazine
> >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_magazine>* review declared that,
> >>>> "Condon was never a satirist: he was a riot in a satire factory. He
> >>> raged
> >>>> at Western civilization and every last one of its works. He
> decorticated
> >>>> the Third Reich, cheese fanciers, gossip columnists and the Hollywood
> >>> star
> >>>> system with equal and total frenzy." [6]
> >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-6>  The
> >>> headline of
> >>>> his obituary in *The New York Times* called him a "political
> >>> novelist",[7]
> >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-NYT-7>  but
> >>> went on
> >>>> to say that, "Novelist is too limited a word to encompass the world of
> >>> Mr.
> >>>> Condon. He was also a visionary, a darkly comic conjurer, a student of
> >>>> American mythology and a master of conspiracy theories, as vividly
> >>>> demonstrated in 'The Manchurian Candidate.'"[7]
> >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-NYT-7>
> Although
> >>>> his
> >>>> books combined many different elements, including occasional outright
> >>>> fantasy and science fiction, they were, above all, written to
> entertain
> >>> the
> >>>> general public. He had, however, a genuine disdain, outrage, and even
> >>>> hatred for many of the mainstream political corruptions that he found
> so
> >>>> prevalent in American life. In a 1977 quotation, he said that:[8]
> >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-8>
> >>>>
> >>>> "...people are being manipulated, exploited, murdered by their
> servants,
> >>>> who have convinced these savage, simple-minded populations that they
> are
> >>>> their masters, and that it hurts the head, if one thinks. People
> accept
> >>>> servants as masters. My novels are merely entertaining persuasions to
> >>> get
> >>>> the people to think in other categories."
> >>>>
> >>>> With his long lists of absurd trivia and "mania for absolute details",
> >>>> Condon was, along with Ian Fleming
> >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Fleming>, one of the early
> >>> exemplars of
> >>>> those called by Pete Hamill<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Hamill
> >
> >>> in
> >>>> a *New York Times* review, "the practitioners of what might be called
> >>> the
> >>>> New Novelism... Condon applies a dense web of facts to fiction....
> There
> >>>> might really be two kinds of fiction: the fiction of sensibility and
> the
> >>>> fiction of information... As a practitioner of the fiction of
> >>> information,
> >>>> no one else comes close to him."[9]
> >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Condon#cite_note-9>
> >>>> Quirks and characteristics[edit
> >>>> <
> >>>>
> >>>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Condon&action=edit&section=5
> >>>> ]
> >>>>
> >>>> Condon attacked his targets wholeheartedly but with a uniquely
> original
> >>>> style and wit that made almost any paragraph from one of his books
> >>>> instantly recognizable. Reviewing one of his works in the
> *International
> >>>> Herald Tribune*, playwright George Axelrod
> >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Axelrod>  (*The Seven Year Itch
> >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Year_Itch_(play)>*, *Will
> >>> Success
> >>>> Spoil Rock Hunter
> >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Success_Spoil_Rock_Hunter>*), who
> >>> had
> >>>> collaborated with Condon on the screenplay for the film adaptation of
> >>> *The
> >>>> Manchurian Candidate*, wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "The arrival of a new novel by Richard Condon is like an invitation
> to a
> >>>> party.... the sheer gusto of the prose, the madness of his similes,
> the
> >>>> lunacy of his metaphors, his infectious, almost child-like joy in
> >>> composing
> >>>> complex sentences that go bang at the end in the manner of exploding
> >>> cigars
> >>>> is both exhilarating and as exhausting as any good party ought to be."
> >>>> --
> >>>> Pynchon-L:https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Pynchon-L:https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >>>
> > --
> > Pynchon-L:https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>
>