The Science of Collapse

[Mark Kohut]

I find the examples of pure non-group anarchy in Pynchon mostly wonderful
and very thematic.
See Lot 49, the dance......I think part of his satire in AtD is over the
concept of a group of anarchists.

The Zone is also beautiful and maybe the embodiment of the concept (since
it is always dangerous even there.
it is the short perfect times that it is that helps define.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 3:57 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> The anarchist group in AtD I found cringe-worthy.  I agree that Pynchon
> seems enamored with the concept, but I find it embarrassingly silly.  He
> was much better with his concept of the Zone in GR, a place of temporary
> refuge, but full of its own dangers.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:48 PM Thomas Eckhardt <
> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
> wrote:
>
> > The "off the grid utopias" in Pynchon's novels are always in the process
> > of just now being forced into the grid by the anti-utopian forces, no?
> > But I agree with rich: If Pynchon satirizes them, he does so
> > benevolently, forgivingly.
> >
> >
> > Am 28.01.2020 um 17:58 schrieb rich:
> > > Despite my skepticism over Pynchon's later focus on off the grid
> utopias
> > in
> > > Vineland, AtD and IV, I think he isnt as cynical as you say.
> > Smaller-scale
> > > anarchism, rooted to local spaces, where vibrant ecosystems can be
> > fostered
> > > for the betterment of members as well as the local flora, fauna, etc.
> is
> > > not mentioned for satirization. The more regretful, longing (and at
> times
> > > quite beautiful) passages in the later books are quite the reflection
> of
> > > what could/should have been.
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