A Letter on Justice and Open Debate

[Gary Webb]

For Murray, there was perhaps no greater, no more heroic, no more representative American than Ellington.

Thanks guys...cool stuff...I couldn’t agree more with Murray about Ellington...there is a peace and exuberance in his music that few American musicians have been capable of capturing...to me, what Rachmaninoff is to Europe and European music, Ellington is to the United States...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-omni-americans



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>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> If anyone is also interested, Thomas chatterton Williams wrote the new intro to Murray’s Omni-Americans. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If anyone is interested, Thomas Chatterton Williams is on the Useful Idiots
>> podcast with Matt Taibbi and
>> Katie Halper this weekend.
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/MijFtGQYowg
>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 3:18 PM Gary Webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It’s probably because nobody wants Ronan Farrow coming after them...
>>> But they’re powerful people, those whom were mentioned, and they can
>>> shield themselves from harm... the ugly side is when these online mobs take
>>> out normal people, those that can’t shield themselves with money and
>>> power....and its not a Right or Left thing, they all do it... so maybe
>>> Weiss should have said no more doxing Internet anons to enable violence
>>> against them... just a universal disavowing of all political violence...
>>> but no, that’s the game they all play now...
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Laura Kelber <laurakelber at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> And the censorship comes not from these vitriolic stone-throwers but
>>> from
>>>> the bottom-line capitalists who decide that publishing or producing work
>>>> from Rowling or anyone else hapless enough to be attacked is too
>>>> financially risky. Woody Allen's latest movie streams in assorted places
>>> in
>>>> Europe and Asia but no one dares show it in the democratic USA.
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:46 AM Thomas Eckhardt <
>>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I am certainly not going to wade into the topic either...
>>>>>>> Am 17.07.2020 um 11:51 schrieb John Bailey:
>>>>>>> I'm not attacking or defending Rowling, or wading into the topic she
>>>>> waded into.
>>>>>> But the angry tweets referred to in Thomas' article aren't censorship.
>>>>> I am not saying they are. They are misogynist insults, however, hate
>>>>> speech and cyber bullying. Of course, the tweets have been selected for
>>>>> maximum effect, but still.
>>>>>> That's what democratic 'open debate' looks like.
>>>>> No. This is hate speech, not debate. It should not be censored but it
>>>>> should certainly also not be treated as a legitimate contribution to
>>>>> reasonable debate.
>>>>>> If you say something
>>>>>> that some people find hateful, some of them might respond in ways that
>>>>>> you don't like.
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>> If you're truly committed to open debate you'll engage
>>>>>> in dialogue with these foul dissenters.
>>>>> You believe a woman should engage in dialogue with people calling her a
>>>>> c*nt, inviting her to choke on their d*cks and publicly expressing their
>>>>> wish to slap her around, smack her up and punch her in the head? And if
>>>>> she doesn't, she is not committed to "open debate"? Sorry, but this is
>>>>> ridiculous.
>>>>>> Or you can just demonise them. That's a tactic.
>>>>> The people who wrote these tweets are not demons but idiots who are
>>>>> ideologically blindsided to a degree that makes me almost feel sorry for
>>>>> them.
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