A Letter on Justice and Open Debate

[Keith Davis]

Duke Ellington is America’s greatest composer.

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> On Jul 18, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Gary Webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> For Murray, there was perhaps no greater, no more heroic, no more representative American than Ellington.
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> Thanks guys...cool stuff...I couldn’t agree more with Murray about Ellington...there is a peace and exuberance in his music that few American musicians have been capable of capturing...to me, what Rachmaninoff is to Europe and European music, Ellington is to the United States...
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> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-omni-americans
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>>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> If anyone is also interested, Thomas chatterton Williams wrote the new intro to Murray’s Omni-Americans. 
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> If anyone is interested, Thomas Chatterton Williams is on the Useful Idiots
>>> podcast with Matt Taibbi and
>>> Katie Halper this weekend.
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>>> https://youtu.be/MijFtGQYowg
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>>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 3:18 PM Gary Webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> It’s probably because nobody wants Ronan Farrow coming after them...
>>>> 
>>>> But they’re powerful people, those whom were mentioned, and they can
>>>> shield themselves from harm... the ugly side is when these online mobs take
>>>> out normal people, those that can’t shield themselves with money and
>>>> power....and its not a Right or Left thing, they all do it... so maybe
>>>> Weiss should have said no more doxing Internet anons to enable violence
>>>> against them... just a universal disavowing of all political violence...
>>>> but no, that’s the game they all play now...
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Laura Kelber <laurakelber at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> And the censorship comes not from these vitriolic stone-throwers but
>>>> from
>>>>> the bottom-line capitalists who decide that publishing or producing work
>>>>> from Rowling or anyone else hapless enough to be attacked is too
>>>>> financially risky. Woody Allen's latest movie streams in assorted places
>>>> in
>>>>> Europe and Asia but no one dares show it in the democratic USA.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:46 AM Thomas Eckhardt <
>>>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I am certainly not going to wade into the topic either...
>>>>>>>> Am 17.07.2020 um 11:51 schrieb John Bailey:
>>>>>>>> I'm not attacking or defending Rowling, or wading into the topic she
>>>>>> waded into.
>>>>>>> But the angry tweets referred to in Thomas' article aren't censorship.
>>>>>> I am not saying they are. They are misogynist insults, however, hate
>>>>>> speech and cyber bullying. Of course, the tweets have been selected for
>>>>>> maximum effect, but still.
>>>>>>> That's what democratic 'open debate' looks like.
>>>>>> No. This is hate speech, not debate. It should not be censored but it
>>>>>> should certainly also not be treated as a legitimate contribution to
>>>>>> reasonable debate.
>>>>>>> If you say something
>>>>>>> that some people find hateful, some of them might respond in ways that
>>>>>>> you don't like.
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>> If you're truly committed to open debate you'll engage
>>>>>>> in dialogue with these foul dissenters.
>>>>>> You believe a woman should engage in dialogue with people calling her a
>>>>>> c*nt, inviting her to choke on their d*cks and publicly expressing their
>>>>>> wish to slap her around, smack her up and punch her in the head? And if
>>>>>> she doesn't, she is not committed to "open debate"? Sorry, but this is
>>>>>> ridiculous.
>>>>>>> Or you can just demonise them. That's a tactic.
>>>>>> The people who wrote these tweets are not demons but idiots who are
>>>>>> ideologically blindsided to a degree that makes me almost feel sorry for
>>>>>> them.
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