A Letter on Justice and Open Debate

[rich]

Miles' He Loved Him Madly written for the Duke may be the greatest tribute.

rich

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 9:06 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> Let's not argue.  Let's share.
>
> I'd love to see Keith's links to what is his favorite Ellington recordings.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 7:57 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Really?
> >
> > I'm partial to Frank Zappa, myself.
> >
> > But there's no way I'm arguing music with YOU, Keith!  :-)
> >
> > Love,
> > yer old pal Jerky
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 7:56 PM Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Duke Ellington is America’s greatest composer.
> > >
> > > Www.keithdavismusic.com
> > >
> > > > On Jul 18, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Gary Webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > For Murray, there was perhaps no greater, no more heroic, no more
> > > representative American than Ellington.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks guys...cool stuff...I couldn’t agree more with Murray about
> > > Ellington...there is a peace and exuberance in his music that few
> > American
> > > musicians have been capable of capturing...to me, what Rachmaninoff is
> to
> > > Europe and European music, Ellington is to the United States...
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-omni-americans
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > >>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >> If anyone is also interested, Thomas chatterton Williams wrote the
> > new
> > > intro to Murray’s Omni-Americans.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If anyone is interested, Thomas Chatterton Williams is on the
> Useful
> > > Idiots
> > > >>> podcast with Matt Taibbi and
> > > >>> Katie Halper this weekend.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> https://youtu.be/MijFtGQYowg
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 3:18 PM Gary Webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> It’s probably because nobody wants Ronan Farrow coming after
> them...
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> But they’re powerful people, those whom were mentioned, and they
> can
> > > >>>> shield themselves from harm... the ugly side is when these online
> > > mobs take
> > > >>>> out normal people, those that can’t shield themselves with money
> and
> > > >>>> power....and its not a Right or Left thing, they all do it... so
> > maybe
> > > >>>> Weiss should have said no more doxing Internet anons to enable
> > > violence
> > > >>>> against them... just a universal disavowing of all political
> > > violence...
> > > >>>> but no, that’s the game they all play now...
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Laura Kelber <
> laurakelber at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> And the censorship comes not from these vitriolic stone-throwers
> > but
> > > >>>> from
> > > >>>>> the bottom-line capitalists who decide that publishing or
> producing
> > > work
> > > >>>>> from Rowling or anyone else hapless enough to be attacked is too
> > > >>>>> financially risky. Woody Allen's latest movie streams in assorted
> > > places
> > > >>>> in
> > > >>>>> Europe and Asia but no one dares show it in the democratic USA.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:46 AM Thomas Eckhardt <
> > > >>>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> I am certainly not going to wade into the topic either...
> > > >>>>>>>> Am 17.07.2020 um 11:51 schrieb John Bailey:
> > > >>>>>>>> I'm not attacking or defending Rowling, or wading into the
> topic
> > > she
> > > >>>>>> waded into.
> > > >>>>>>> But the angry tweets referred to in Thomas' article aren't
> > > censorship.
> > > >>>>>> I am not saying they are. They are misogynist insults, however,
> > hate
> > > >>>>>> speech and cyber bullying. Of course, the tweets have been
> > selected
> > > for
> > > >>>>>> maximum effect, but still.
> > > >>>>>>> That's what democratic 'open debate' looks like.
> > > >>>>>> No. This is hate speech, not debate. It should not be censored
> but
> > > it
> > > >>>>>> should certainly also not be treated as a legitimate
> contribution
> > to
> > > >>>>>> reasonable debate.
> > > >>>>>>> If you say something
> > > >>>>>>> that some people find hateful, some of them might respond in
> ways
> > > that
> > > >>>>>>> you don't like.
> > > >>>>>> Yes.
> > > >>>>>>> If you're truly committed to open debate you'll engage
> > > >>>>>>> in dialogue with these foul dissenters.
> > > >>>>>> You believe a woman should engage in dialogue with people
> calling
> > > her a
> > > >>>>>> c*nt, inviting her to choke on their d*cks and publicly
> expressing
> > > their
> > > >>>>>> wish to slap her around, smack her up and punch her in the head?
> > > And if
> > > >>>>>> she doesn't, she is not committed to "open debate"? Sorry, but
> > this
> > > is
> > > >>>>>> ridiculous.
> > > >>>>>>> Or you can just demonise them. That's a tactic.
> > > >>>>>> The people who wrote these tweets are not demons but idiots who
> > are
> > > >>>>>> ideologically blindsided to a degree that makes me almost feel
> > > sorry for
> > > >>>>>> them.
> > > >>>>>> --
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> > > >>>>> --
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> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
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