BE redirect

[David Morris]

Both-Siderism has been increasingly the media plague for many years.  With
Trump,even Twitter is calling out his BS. It's high time for all other
media to call out lies as lies.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 4:55 PM Charles Albert <cfalbert at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes...
> But it ALL seems so remarkably precocious..
>
> Now, and I'm not kidding, listen to Joni Mitchell's Clouds, and realize she
> was from the whistlestop of Saskatoon, and released the song by her mid
> 20s..
>
> There's a guy calling himself The Tallest Man on Earth, who calls it the
> GOAT of songs, and I can't argue.
>
> At 62, it sounds a lot different than it did in my teens.
>
>
> love,
>
> cfa
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 5:00 PM rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > u could be right about Rosemary's Baby being some great feminist horror.
> my
> > money is on Carnival of Souls.
> >
> > u know Im reading V again and it's amazing to me he was in his youngish
> 20s
> > when he wrote it, with such world-weariness; like I felt about BE, a man
> in
> > his late 70s to write with such vigor (though I have alot of issues with
> > the book)
> >
> > Pynchon's villains in the later books are front and center--no
> > sugar-coating romance of Blicero with the Scarsdale V, Mr Ice types.  he
> > lays it out
> >
> > so why convolute things.
> >
> > modern finance is mostly alchemy now. I doubt 90% of those on the street
> > making millions could explain exactly what they do. alot people hate
> > capitalism and rightly so in many instances but it's gonna be hard to
> kill
> >
> > that;s the thing. the system is like that feeling one had under
> > psychedelics that everything was this massive beautiful thing that even
> > evil and other shit would be absorbed by the sheer size and weight of it
> (I
> > know this sounds trite) with no fuss or muss (though I did see rumsfeld
> > emerge out the side of W's head once like some horror from Carpenter's
> The
> > Thing but that's another story). that's modern capitalism, it just
> absorbs
> > everything but it's not a beautiful thing. it's an efficient thing. and
> woe
> > to us all
> >
> > finally, that is what Pynchon does, the good old misdirect personified.
> > good way not to be played out or irrelevant soon after not that he
> probably
> > cares about that all that much
> >
> > rich
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 4:09 AM Cometman via Pynchon-l <
> pynchon-l at waste.org
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks, rich, for the kind words. I did suspect the doctor, but it’s
> nice
> > > to know. The whole story of Rosemary’s Baby has probably been analyzed
> in
> > > feminist terms as the patriarchy presiding over the ceding of autonomy
> in
> > > child rearing, hasn’t it?
> > > My analysis of the choice of villain in BE needs a little work.
> > > We know what we know (although there is more info than my buffers can
> > > store - I guess that is why tv news repeats a manageable number of
> facts
> > > over and over, that and supporting a narrative, of course) but we don’t
> > > know the full extent of what we don’t know.
> > >
> > > But I do know that Horst’s unoccupied office was not part of
> > > Cantor-Fitzgerald, so the direction of attention would be towards the
> > > relatively humble sphere of commodity trading rather than municipal
> > bonds.
> > > And the notion that he’s able to continue his trading in the Midwest,
> and
> > > even make a vacation of it for himself and their sons, suggests a focus
> > on
> > > the ways life goes on after a cataclysmic event.
> > > The rise of gaming and its implications as a method towards social
> > control
> > > (at one point the kids play a game where they shoot people for having
> bad
> > > manners, and at another point they inform an adult that, sorry, kids
> > don’t
> > > read anymore) and away from it (DeepArcher); the financial implications
> > of
> > > big computing taking its place among multinational movers and shakers
> in
> > > the person of Gabriel Ice; the personification of the executive arm of
> > > neoliberalism in Windust, his undoing, and his human side; the rise of
> > > Russian influence in the US - all of these and more seem to be larger
> > > themes in BE than the events of late Fructidor 2001.
> > > Did the Internet (and by extension, the plot of BE, a-and human
> progress
> > > itself) interpret them as damage and route around them?
> > > --
> > > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> > >
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> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
> >
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