BE redirect

[Gary Webb]

The idea of eternal capitalism might be too grim, and sooner or later we all are going to have to get off the bus before it drives off a cliff, if it hasn’t already... I stumbled across this idea during the height of the pandemic, and it’s stuck with me. I’m not sure where I stand on wether or not rivalrous zero-sum games are hardwired into human nature. Will we evolve into the below criteria?:

Creating loop closure within complicated man-made systems
Having the right relationship between complex natural and complicated man-made systems
Creating anti-rivalrous environments within which exponential technology does not threaten our existence

https://futurethinkers.org/daniel-schmachtenberger-generator-functions/

Sent from my iPhone

>> On Jun 1, 2020, at 6:11 PM, gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> modern finance is mostly alchemy now. I doubt 90% of those on the street
> making millions could explain exactly what they do. alot people hate
> capitalism and rightly so in many instances but it's gonna be hard to kill
> 
> 100% agree man... a-and most modern finance is computer algorithm driven, so there are very little rapidly diminishing human inputs... your comment reminds me of kpunk, or Mark Fisher's book Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism:_Is_There_No_Alternative%3F). It's a little over 10 years old and there really hasn't been a suitable alternative to capitalism proposed and/or developed despite the fact that we've had two major existential crises (2008 & COVID)... 
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 5:00 PM rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> u could be right about Rosemary's Baby being some great feminist horror. my
>> money is on Carnival of Souls.
>> 
>> u know Im reading V again and it's amazing to me he was in his youngish 20s
>> when he wrote it, with such world-weariness; like I felt about BE, a man in
>> his late 70s to write with such vigor (though I have alot of issues with
>> the book)
>> 
>> Pynchon's villains in the later books are front and center--no
>> sugar-coating romance of Blicero with the Scarsdale V, Mr Ice types.  he
>> lays it out
>> 
>> so why convolute things.
>> 
>> modern finance is mostly alchemy now. I doubt 90% of those on the street
>> making millions could explain exactly what they do. alot people hate
>> capitalism and rightly so in many instances but it's gonna be hard to kill
>> 
>> that;s the thing. the system is like that feeling one had under
>> psychedelics that everything was this massive beautiful thing that even
>> evil and other shit would be absorbed by the sheer size and weight of it (I
>> know this sounds trite) with no fuss or muss (though I did see rumsfeld
>> emerge out the side of W's head once like some horror from Carpenter's The
>> Thing but that's another story). that's modern capitalism, it just absorbs
>> everything but it's not a beautiful thing. it's an efficient thing. and woe
>> to us all
>> 
>> finally, that is what Pynchon does, the good old misdirect personified.
>> good way not to be played out or irrelevant soon after not that he probably
>> cares about that all that much
>> 
>> rich
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 4:09 AM Cometman via Pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > Thanks, rich, for the kind words. I did suspect the doctor, but it’s nice
>> > to know. The whole story of Rosemary’s Baby has probably been analyzed in
>> > feminist terms as the patriarchy presiding over the ceding of autonomy in
>> > child rearing, hasn’t it?
>> > My analysis of the choice of villain in BE needs a little work.
>> > We know what we know (although there is more info than my buffers can
>> > store - I guess that is why tv news repeats a manageable number of facts
>> > over and over, that and supporting a narrative, of course) but we don’t
>> > know the full extent of what we don’t know.
>> >
>> > But I do know that Horst’s unoccupied office was not part of
>> > Cantor-Fitzgerald, so the direction of attention would be towards the
>> > relatively humble sphere of commodity trading rather than municipal bonds.
>> > And the notion that he’s able to continue his trading in the Midwest, and
>> > even make a vacation of it for himself and their sons, suggests a focus on
>> > the ways life goes on after a cataclysmic event.
>> > The rise of gaming and its implications as a method towards social control
>> > (at one point the kids play a game where they shoot people for having bad
>> > manners, and at another point they inform an adult that, sorry, kids don’t
>> > read anymore) and away from it (DeepArcher); the financial implications of
>> > big computing taking its place among multinational movers and shakers in
>> > the person of Gabriel Ice; the personification of the executive arm of
>> > neoliberalism in Windust, his undoing, and his human side; the rise of
>> > Russian influence in the US - all of these and more seem to be larger
>> > themes in BE than the events of late Fructidor 2001.
>> > Did the Internet (and by extension, the plot of BE, a-and human progress
>> > itself) interpret them as damage and route around them?
>> > --
>> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>> >
>> --
>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l