This! This! Pynchon's self-organizing [anarchy] vision happening all over. One I'm part of in my little town.

[Mark Kohut]

We are in general agreement, I do not think it is ever a government
model....(think of his constant, relentless condemnation
by satire of government in his fiction, all the way though)...yes, betray
itself as a government, a state I agree...

But, again, in classical anarchism, the 'self-organizing groups" can and do
some things the governments don't.  Read about
businesses and organizations in the Basque area......we simply dissolved
ourselves the last time we did this.....

There is still a discussion about anarchy and the presentation of the Chums
I would say.



On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:36 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> My main point is that I think Pynchon proposes anarchy in short small
> doses, as an escape, not as a governmental model.  And he knows that even
> then  it will betray itself.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:29 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> your sentence has an extra word or word out of place....yes, small
>> "self-organizing but decision-making groups that do things.'
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:21 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think has Pynchon proposed anarchy as an alternative to government,
>>> not as private charity by nice people.   But he knows it is only viable in
>>> small communities on a very short-term basis.  It is GR's Zone, which he
>>> explicitly portrays as doomed to failure. I think his absurd portrayal of
>>> anarchist golf in ATD (no rules) shows... something.  Was he making fun of
>>> his own naivety?  I would like to think so.
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:06 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We are not talking about 'self-organizing' a government......
>>>>
>>>> We are talking about spontaneous eddies of help, for gawd's sake.
>>>> Smart people, participatory decision-making...FOLLOWING ALL THE GODDAM
>>>> LAWS.
>>>>
>>>> Read about what a few of Camus' characters, esp Dr. Rieux do in a
>>>> plague and you will have to revise that sentence.
>>>> yet, there are plenty of selfish sabotagers in that novel; there are
>>>> plenty of offside oddballs; there is plenty, plenty of denial
>>>> and complacency....
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:55 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Self-organizing without leaders" is a recipe for disaster in a
>>>>> plague.  That's exactly what the internet is.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 3:49 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry....we've been here on this concept before......Pynchon's
>>>>>> older
>>>>>> definitional use and
>>>>>> meaning is ........."self-organizing, without leaders, without
>>>>>> hierarchy,
>>>>>> without bureaucracy, mutual agreement
>>>>>> after quick back and forths and same with actions"......to help
>>>>>> people out
>>>>>> spontaneously, immediately, etc.
>>>>>> Occupy was like this for its purposes....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:43 PM Richard Romeo <
>>>>>> richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Anarchy is what we definitely do not need now. Yowza
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Alyssa Harad
>>>>>> > > @alyssaharad
>>>>>> > > <https://mobile.twitter.com/alyssaharad>
>>>>>> > > ·
>>>>>> > > 7m <
>>>>>> https://mobile.twitter.com/alyssaharad/status/1239983938698960897>
>>>>>> > > Watching mutual aid organizations pop up everywhere like
>>>>>> beautiful,
>>>>>> > > beautiful mushrooms in the shadow of our murderous systems.
>>>>>> Revolution as
>>>>>> > > care.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Hear* Mutual Aid*, think Kropotkin.
>>>>>> > > --
>>>>>> > > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>
>>>>>