This! This! Pynchon's self-organizing [anarchy] vision happening all over. One I'm part of in my little town.

[David Morris]

My main point is that I think Pynchon proposes anarchy in short small
doses, as an escape, not as a governmental model.  And he knows that even
then  it will betray itself.

David Morris

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:29 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> your sentence has an extra word or word out of place....yes, small
> "self-organizing but decision-making groups that do things.'
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:21 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think has Pynchon proposed anarchy as an alternative to government, not
>> as private charity by nice people.   But he knows it is only viable in
>> small communities on a very short-term basis.  It is GR's Zone, which he
>> explicitly portrays as doomed to failure. I think his absurd portrayal of
>> anarchist golf in ATD (no rules) shows... something.  Was he making fun of
>> his own naivety?  I would like to think so.
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:06 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We are not talking about 'self-organizing' a government......
>>>
>>> We are talking about spontaneous eddies of help, for gawd's sake.
>>> Smart people, participatory decision-making...FOLLOWING ALL THE GODDAM
>>> LAWS.
>>>
>>> Read about what a few of Camus' characters, esp Dr. Rieux do in a plague
>>> and you will have to revise that sentence.
>>> yet, there are plenty of selfish sabotagers in that novel; there are
>>> plenty of offside oddballs; there is plenty, plenty of denial
>>> and complacency....
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:55 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Self-organizing without leaders" is a recipe for disaster in a
>>>> plague.  That's exactly what the internet is.
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 3:49 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry....we've been here on this concept before......Pynchon's
>>>>> older
>>>>> definitional use and
>>>>> meaning is ........."self-organizing, without leaders, without
>>>>> hierarchy,
>>>>> without bureaucracy, mutual agreement
>>>>> after quick back and forths and same with actions"......to help people
>>>>> out
>>>>> spontaneously, immediately, etc.
>>>>> Occupy was like this for its purposes....
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:43 PM Richard Romeo <richard.romeo at gmail.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Anarchy is what we definitely do not need now. Yowza
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Alyssa Harad
>>>>> > > @alyssaharad
>>>>> > > <https://mobile.twitter.com/alyssaharad>
>>>>> > > ·
>>>>> > > 7m <
>>>>> https://mobile.twitter.com/alyssaharad/status/1239983938698960897>
>>>>> > > Watching mutual aid organizations pop up everywhere like beautiful,
>>>>> > > beautiful mushrooms in the shadow of our murderous systems.
>>>>> Revolution as
>>>>> > > care.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Hear* Mutual Aid*, think Kropotkin.
>>>>> > > --
>>>>> > > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>>> >
>>>>> --
>>>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>>>
>>>>