Whose anarchy?

[rich]

not so much failure as a recognition that you can scale it up. would
Finland work as well as it does relatively is it was the size of the US?
 Adam Curtis recently asked do we really want "real change", the left
needed some defining theme, an idea to inspire people? strong institutions
and leaders
well, we may get that chance now as the free market umbrella cant handle
the global problem we are faced with.
people wont stand for exclusive corporate bailouts like in 2009, there's
too much pain being shared or will be shared.
America First and much of the conservative/centrist agenda is being wiped
as we speak, though they'll be some resistance I'm sure

i expect many of us will be forced out of our comfort zone we've lived for
most of our lives, but who knows?
we are also beyond the blame game--we need solutions quickly. they'll be
plenty of time for that later

rich


On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 6:50 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeahp, I say. Bakunin's and Maletesta's "anarchism' fall under Morris's
> critique and as he sees Pynchon
> showing that it condemns itself and therefore fails.
>
> In some analogous way, maybe, this failure of 'governmental anarchism' so
> to name it, is akin to the constant
> theme in Pynchon that what can start out as naturally good--the wonderful
> open brave new world of the internet for example---
> usually gets lost, gets subverted, goes bad.
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:10 AM peterthooper at juno.com <
> peterthooper at juno.com> wrote:
>
> > Kropotkin’s, maybe? Bakunin and Malatesta, no thank you! Murray Bookchin,
> > well probably. It’s like microbreweries or artisanal cheese, or in some
> > cases like moonshine stills which probably use lead piping & ought to be
> > avoided; operations like that justify government: Dukes of Hazzard meet
> > their Roscoe P. Coltrane and they deserve each other!
> >
> > A) absence of archy - for that matter, where is mehitabel? that darn
> > tarantula
> >
> > B) Catch-22’s chaplain, the Anabaptist whose defining characteristic was
> > not being a Baptist, still gives me a chuckle. He shows up in _Closing
> > Time_ which had sad and funny mixed up and probably a better book than
> > _Catch-22_ but as an older reader I was less patient with it.
> > Anyway, like postmodernism, I get cranky about movements defined by what
> > they aren’t - “get off my lawn” though I hope I remember to toss them
> their
> > ball as they leave, except maybe Grover Norquist and Rand Paul that start
> > tearing away the good parts of government first.
> >
> > C) Basically when they start doing nasty stuff they suck, but their
> theory
> > and the non-coercive elements of their praxis can be attractive
> >
> > D) Triangulation:
> > Lord Acton
> > Badfinger’s song “Perfection”
> > That Furry Freak Brothers comic where one of them picks up a hitchhiker,
> > and a cop with a really friendly face comes along to be, like, helpful,
> and
> > the hitchhiker yells, “F*ck you, pig!” Freewheelin Franklin, or maybe
> > Phineas?* is sitting there going “Sheesh!”
> > Just like Norquist or Rand Paul**, that hitchhiker.
> >
> > *(Unlikely that it was Fat Freddy, for obvious reasons)
> >
> > ** Now Mrs Paul, no problem.
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