Whose anarchy?

[rich]

can't scale up i meant above

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:

> not so much failure as a recognition that you can scale it up. would
> Finland work as well as it does relatively is it was the size of the US?
>  Adam Curtis recently asked do we really want "real change", the left
> needed some defining theme, an idea to inspire people? strong institutions
> and leaders
> well, we may get that chance now as the free market umbrella cant handle
> the global problem we are faced with.
> people wont stand for exclusive corporate bailouts like in 2009, there's
> too much pain being shared or will be shared.
> America First and much of the conservative/centrist agenda is being wiped
> as we speak, though they'll be some resistance I'm sure
>
> i expect many of us will be forced out of our comfort zone we've lived for
> most of our lives, but who knows?
> we are also beyond the blame game--we need solutions quickly. they'll be
> plenty of time for that later
>
> rich
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 6:50 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeahp, I say. Bakunin's and Maletesta's "anarchism' fall under Morris's
>> critique and as he sees Pynchon
>> showing that it condemns itself and therefore fails.
>>
>> In some analogous way, maybe, this failure of 'governmental anarchism' so
>> to name it, is akin to the constant
>> theme in Pynchon that what can start out as naturally good--the wonderful
>> open brave new world of the internet for example---
>> usually gets lost, gets subverted, goes bad.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:10 AM peterthooper at juno.com <
>> peterthooper at juno.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Kropotkin’s, maybe? Bakunin and Malatesta, no thank you! Murray
>> Bookchin,
>> > well probably. It’s like microbreweries or artisanal cheese, or in some
>> > cases like moonshine stills which probably use lead piping & ought to be
>> > avoided; operations like that justify government: Dukes of Hazzard meet
>> > their Roscoe P. Coltrane and they deserve each other!
>> >
>> > A) absence of archy - for that matter, where is mehitabel? that darn
>> > tarantula
>> >
>> > B) Catch-22’s chaplain, the Anabaptist whose defining characteristic was
>> > not being a Baptist, still gives me a chuckle. He shows up in _Closing
>> > Time_ which had sad and funny mixed up and probably a better book than
>> > _Catch-22_ but as an older reader I was less patient with it.
>> > Anyway, like postmodernism, I get cranky about movements defined by what
>> > they aren’t - “get off my lawn” though I hope I remember to toss them
>> their
>> > ball as they leave, except maybe Grover Norquist and Rand Paul that
>> start
>> > tearing away the good parts of government first.
>> >
>> > C) Basically when they start doing nasty stuff they suck, but their
>> theory
>> > and the non-coercive elements of their praxis can be attractive
>> >
>> > D) Triangulation:
>> > Lord Acton
>> > Badfinger’s song “Perfection”
>> > That Furry Freak Brothers comic where one of them picks up a hitchhiker,
>> > and a cop with a really friendly face comes along to be, like, helpful,
>> and
>> > the hitchhiker yells, “F*ck you, pig!” Freewheelin Franklin, or maybe
>> > Phineas?* is sitting there going “Sheesh!”
>> > Just like Norquist or Rand Paul**, that hitchhiker.
>> >
>> > *(Unlikely that it was Fat Freddy, for obvious reasons)
>> >
>> > ** Now Mrs Paul, no problem.
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