Whose anarchy?

[rich]

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On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:

> can't scale up i meant above
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> not so much failure as a recognition that you can scale it up. would
>> Finland work as well as it does relatively is it was the size of the US?
>>  Adam Curtis recently asked do we really want "real change", the left
>> needed some defining theme, an idea to inspire people? strong institutions
>> and leaders
>> well, we may get that chance now as the free market umbrella cant handle
>> the global problem we are faced with.
>> people wont stand for exclusive corporate bailouts like in 2009, there's
>> too much pain being shared or will be shared.
>> America First and much of the conservative/centrist agenda is being wiped
>> as we speak, though they'll be some resistance I'm sure
>>
>> i expect many of us will be forced out of our comfort zone we've lived
>> for most of our lives, but who knows?
>> we are also beyond the blame game--we need solutions quickly. they'll be
>> plenty of time for that later
>>
>> rich
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 6:50 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeahp, I say. Bakunin's and Maletesta's "anarchism' fall under Morris's
>>> critique and as he sees Pynchon
>>> showing that it condemns itself and therefore fails.
>>>
>>> In some analogous way, maybe, this failure of 'governmental anarchism' so
>>> to name it, is akin to the constant
>>> theme in Pynchon that what can start out as naturally good--the wonderful
>>> open brave new world of the internet for example---
>>> usually gets lost, gets subverted, goes bad.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:10 AM peterthooper at juno.com <
>>> peterthooper at juno.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Kropotkin’s, maybe? Bakunin and Malatesta, no thank you! Murray
>>> Bookchin,
>>> > well probably. It’s like microbreweries or artisanal cheese, or in some
>>> > cases like moonshine stills which probably use lead piping & ought to
>>> be
>>> > avoided; operations like that justify government: Dukes of Hazzard meet
>>> > their Roscoe P. Coltrane and they deserve each other!
>>> >
>>> > A) absence of archy - for that matter, where is mehitabel? that darn
>>> > tarantula
>>> >
>>> > B) Catch-22’s chaplain, the Anabaptist whose defining characteristic
>>> was
>>> > not being a Baptist, still gives me a chuckle. He shows up in _Closing
>>> > Time_ which had sad and funny mixed up and probably a better book than
>>> > _Catch-22_ but as an older reader I was less patient with it.
>>> > Anyway, like postmodernism, I get cranky about movements defined by
>>> what
>>> > they aren’t - “get off my lawn” though I hope I remember to toss them
>>> their
>>> > ball as they leave, except maybe Grover Norquist and Rand Paul that
>>> start
>>> > tearing away the good parts of government first.
>>> >
>>> > C) Basically when they start doing nasty stuff they suck, but their
>>> theory
>>> > and the non-coercive elements of their praxis can be attractive
>>> >
>>> > D) Triangulation:
>>> > Lord Acton
>>> > Badfinger’s song “Perfection”
>>> > That Furry Freak Brothers comic where one of them picks up a
>>> hitchhiker,
>>> > and a cop with a really friendly face comes along to be, like,
>>> helpful, and
>>> > the hitchhiker yells, “F*ck you, pig!” Freewheelin Franklin, or maybe
>>> > Phineas?* is sitting there going “Sheesh!”
>>> > Just like Norquist or Rand Paul**, that hitchhiker.
>>> >
>>> > *(Unlikely that it was Fat Freddy, for obvious reasons)
>>> >
>>> > ** Now Mrs Paul, no problem.
>>> > --
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>>> >
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>>