Not P, Warhol

[Mark Kohut]

I disagree...the art is a glorious celebration (and critique) of our
pendant world.

Picasso, first half of 20th Century, Warhol, the second. Reigning
geniuses of absorbing
and reimagining the modern world---US.

But reasonable folk can disagree as we have.

Anyone else can have the last word
becasue I don't have time nor desire to argue this, yet I could still be
wrong....
although i think I'm not.......

the judgment of History is in I say.....

English guy on twitter this morn says he greatly dislikes Gravity's Rainbow
because of its 'nihilism"...
we know better.

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 9:59 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> I understand, but really dislike Andy's mark on the world of art.  It
> enshrines cynicism.
>
> On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 8:44 AM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.selfmadehero.com/news/inside-typex-s-andy-the-life-and-times-of-andy-warhol
>>
>>
>> I bought this massive graphic novel about Andy a while ago (at the last
>> TCAF, or Toronto Comic Arts Festival), but I haven't read it yet.
>>
>> Jerky
>>
>> On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 7:08 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "in a little bio published in December 1960, the best Warhol could claim
>>> for himself as an artist, {although he had
>>> been exhibiting in galleries for years], was that he was doing a
>>> bookplate
>>> for Audrey Hepburn's nursery."--Gopnik
>>>
>>> His eureka moment, writes Gopnik, was when he realized the "low-art' of
>>> magazine illustration and dressing windows,
>>> that popular, commercial art, could glide effortlessly with the right
>>> framing and genius choices into that new Pop Art movement
>>> using and illuminating the anything of the times. From low puns to High
>>> Art.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 6:55 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Speaking of Warhol, thanks David, whose birth family and mine were
>>> > parishioners of the same Church in Pittsburgh. (If you go to the Andy
>>> Warhol
>>> > Museum and look at Andy's grave webcam, where flowers and soup cans are
>>> > placed on his stone and plot, average size,
>>> > you will see in the upper left a gravestone that reads KOHUT. Yeahp,
>>> you
>>> > can visit me there with my parents for all eternity soon enough
>>> > after paying homage to Andy.)
>>> >
>>> > Gopnik's Warhol will be, after reading only a little, one of the great
>>> > biographies. Because it is so wonderfully detailed, so wonderfully
>>> > knowledgeable--he tackles all of the superficial--but many true since
>>> Andy
>>> > is all human surface---ways of "explaining' Andy's work thru his life.
>>> >
>>> > I'll give two. He has found out that when his dad bought a new house
>>> when
>>> > he was still a kid from a relative he paid cash--about 3 Grand if i
>>> > remember, which took years
>>> > of frugal non-drinking hard work, and which included Andy's mother
>>> selling
>>> > vegetables and homemade things--but the the sale was recorded as for
>>> $1..
>>> > Tax avoidance which Andy later also worked hard at......(I actually
>>> saw an
>>> > example of this when I went one Friday evening to the Warhol Museum
>>> > for a Reveal, first time ever, opening of one of Andy's time
>>> > capsules...Andy used to periodically sweep everything in his studio
>>> into
>>> > big boxes and
>>> > date and seal and store them......This evening I saw IRS letters,
>>> > receipts, maybe even a marked-up receipt, requests for others to send
>>> him
>>> > letters re his expenses, etc. )
>>> >
>>> > And, Andy, whom I knew since his later art school years was seen as the
>>> > one with the most natural draughtsman's talent any had ever seen, the
>>> one
>>> > who entered art
>>> > school with little to really learn and all his teachers saw it, was
>>> "the
>>> > one we asked to help draw something when we hung stuff in the
>>> classroom"
>>> > said HIS SECOND GRADE TEACHER!, whom Gopnik found and interviewed.
>>> >
>>> > Perfect circles by hand at will from the youngest age. As if hand-eye
>>> > coordination was a tautology,  Sometime look up his pen and ink
>>> drawings of
>>> > street life on the South Side of Pittsburgh, famers selling vegetables
>>> via
>>> > trucks, etc.
>>> >
>>> > And there's more.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 8:58 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Years ago I got about halfway thru The Recognitions.  It lost me in
>>> its
>>> >> depiction of its Pynchon-like whole sick crew. As such, I never dove
>>> deep
>>> >> into its questions about original Vs copied artwork.  Am I wrong to
>>> suspect
>>> >> Warhol was his target?
>>> >>
>>> >> David Morris
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 6:32 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> https://twitter.com/sarahw/status/1256726554748628992?s=20
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>
>>