not P. Gaddis

[Johnny Marr]

I hope some of you have seen the Orson Welles film ‘F For Fake’ - I thought
he may well have taken some inspiration from The Recognitions

On Sunday, May 24, 2020, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think I've read everything Gaddis published. He's one of my very
> favourite novelists. I still laugh when I think of *A Frolic of His Own*,
> and *JR.*
>
> On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 11:02 AM Heikki R <
> situations.journeys.comedy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For the protagonist Wyatt Gwyon, the art of late-medieval Flemish Masters
> > (Bouts, the van Eycks, van der Goes, Memling,  van der Weyden) embodies
> > integrity, devotion and community that have been lost in modernity. At
> one
> > point he says: "I'm a master painter in the Guild, in Flanders, do you
> > see?" But Wyatt will change his mind in the course of the novel...
> >
> >
> > Heikki
> >
> > su 3. toukok. 2020 klo 13.19 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> kirjoitti:
> >
> > > Yeah. Your timing is off. The Recognitions was published in 1955,
> written
> > > over a decently long say-it-all-in-one-great book time for Gaddis
> > >
> > > Andy was still doing Tiffany windows in 1961, still a 'commercial'
> > > artist making it in NYC. 60-61 were good years, 60 better. He bought a
> > > house
> > > uptown.
> > >
> > > The art that was Gaddis' target was Abstract Expressionism, the
> emphasis
> > on
> > > abstract. An art movement that ignored
> > > human recognition for the sake of art for art's sake. Color, form,
> > patterns
> > > only, one might say, he might have said, and I'm sure a deeper Gaddis
> > > reader will correct me if that isn't accurate enough.
> > >
> > > But more it is about the art critics who made that movement credible
> and
> > > monetarily valuable. And the whole lesser circle that thrived
> > > off their words, not being able to recognize art themselves anyway. I
> > > think.
> > >
> > > Another meaning to the word, as I remember the novel, is that in the
> way
> > > back time, Roman times in Gaddis's case, I think, we knew
> > > ourselves clearly but the modern age had led us to lose that
> recognition.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 8:58 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Years ago I got about halfway thru The Recognitions.  It lost me in
> its
> > > > depiction of its Pynchon-like whole sick crew. As such, I never dove
> > deep
> > > > into its questions about original Vs copied artwork.  Am I wrong to
> > > suspect
> > > > Warhol was his target?
> > > >
> > > > David Morris
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 6:32 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> https://twitter.com/sarahw/status/1256726554748628992?s=20
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