BEg2 Chap 8 Summary Part 1

[Mark Kohut]

I overstated. I salute you for knowing and finding the Ruppert source.

What I meant was just about any use he makes of
well-sourced anything---from the Israeli microchip to other mysteries of
9/11--is usually wrapped in
 irony, a parodic use, we have to understand. A poised ambiguity often and
often essentially. This may be what Joseph means when he says P doesn't
tell us what to believe; it may unite him and
David M and me. ...That is, the mysteries in the fiction in which the
sources are embedded.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 6:09 PM Hübschräuber <huebschraeuber at protonmail.com>
wrote:

> Show me where there is a parody of Ruppert in BE. Just show me. You surely
> know that you have to be famiiar with the source in order to determine that
> there is parody? Are you?
>
> Textual evidence welcome but most certainly not expected.
>
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> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> schrieb am Freitag, 10. Dezember 2021
> um 23:57:
>
> Now it must be repeated again, he repeats: Pynchon parodies EVERYTHING,
> basically.
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 5:04 PM Huebschraeuber via Pynchon-l <
> pynchon-l at waste.org> wrote:
>
>> It is clear that one of Pynchon's sources for 9/11 is Michael Ruppert's
>> "Crossing the Rubicon" because the story of the Israeli microchip can be
>> found there, and only there (apart from Ruppert's online magazine "From
>> the Wilderness" where it was published first).
>>
>> This also helps to explain why the biggest, let us say, mystery of 9/11
>> is not mentioned in BE: The free-fall collapse of WTC7. It is not
>> mentioned by Ruppert, iirc.
>>
>> "The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the
>> collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and
>> private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary
>> conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global
>> failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the
>> building."
>>
>> https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 10.12.2021 um 20:28 schrieb Joseph Tracy:
>> > “Which you think is more serious than simple fraud. What could be that
>> big of a deal?”
>> > “You’re the expert, Maxine. If it was a classic fraud haven, Grand
>> Cayman or whatever, it’d be one thing. But this is the Mideast, and
>> somebody’s going to way too much trouble to keep secrets, as if Ice or
>> somebody in his shop ain’t just squirreling it away but bankrolling
>> something, something big and invisible—” BE pg 83
>> >
>> > I will probably get slammed for this but ….Let us suppose or at least
>> ask iourselves if this secretive movement of money centered on Dubai is or
>> could be something real and related to 9-11. Is it something that appears
>> elsewhere? Could Pynchon, who seems to have some interesting sources of
>> hard-to-access information and research be using fiction to make
>> suggestions about who might have been in on the 9-11 plan beside Salafists
>> temporarily centered in Afghanistan?
>> > Or is it a red herring? All I can say is by the time P wrote BE there
>> had been a great deal of research into this event and to many people’s
>> dissatisfaction, including family-members-of-victims who were part of 9-11
>> commission, many incriminating leads were abandoned due to the US’s
>> friendly and lucrative relationship with Saudi Arabia and the inconvenience
>> of digging too deep into conflicting evidence regarding the mainstream
>> narrative.
>> > Dubai is a weird place, the international London/Switzerland of
>> Arab/Islamic finance, a major world tourist destination and a safe haven
>> for western interests, money operating in the Gulf. Its power and wealth
>> have steadily increased since the gulf wars. If i recall, all the hijackers
>> were either Saudis or UAE( Dubai).
>> >
>> > Would a high tech ’security” business be needed to facilitate hiding
>> something this big, the movement of money, paying bribes, moving and
>> silencing the right people, etc. ? My own skepticism has a lot to do with
>> how much the narrative was controlled in an event that left so many
>> questions and loose ends. I don’t have a theory, but am unsatisfied with
>> the dismissal of legitimate questions.
>> >
>> > I can only say that it really seems to me that Pynchon too has
>> questions about that narrative and has written what seems like a goofy
>> detective story spiced with dead-end paranoia and a more obvious red
>> herring ( the Kennedy-esque rooftop event)to remind us that some serious
>> questions that really do demand the deeepest and most thorough attempt at
>> resolution have been buried, while horrifyingly misdirected wars have been
>> pursued with no positive result.
>>
>> --
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>>
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