BEg2 Chap 8 Summary Part 1

Sun Dec 12 01:02:20 UTC 2021

OMG, Mark!
You’ve been thrown overboard by the truffles and ruffles  crew!

But damnit!  The person full of harrumph won’t leave the deck.  So, quick!
Hit it with a hammer! Get yer balls to four watch! Man battle-stations!
Grab hold for fuck-all, angles and dangles and DIVE, DIVE, DIVE!!!

Flotsam and jetsam and truffles and ruffles , all chum, bob above.

Sail on!

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 7:06 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Mark Kohut
> This is a game I no longer wish to play. Your emails along with Morris’s
> will now be going in my trash. You don’t do chapter summaries so it won’t
> make no nevermind for the BE read. BUT, if any plister feels this is
> unbecoming of a group read host, please feel free to take the reins.
> Otherwise I will do my best to continue as long as there is participation.
>
> > On Dec 11, 2021, at 4:26 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I just saw this and as usual you get me wrong, Joseph. .... You did not
> come to terms with what I wrote.....I "don't like" her.??!!!....like tea
> party socialites and so many in book clubs who want to "like' or can't help
> "disliking" characters.......I LIKE MARCH AS MUCH AS YOU DO, and Pynchon
> does----he created her sympathetically right on the page.......BUT he, not
> me, also saw her inadequacies and gave her larger meanings in the
> novel.......
> >
> > You are still awful to interact with, full of insults and inability to
> engage or prove your points as you tell others their points are
> "meaningless".
> >
> > Mark
> > Your sentence that I quoted was mangled but I do get that you don’t like
> March K . This does not surprise me. I think Pynchon’s take is quite a bit
> more sympathetic, but hey, that could be my own sympathy.
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 4:16 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Joe,
> >
> > You are, as ever, an insufferable school marm, with all the stereotypes
> that come along with that title.  If you take issue with any of the
> specifics of my comments here, you are more than welcome to
> engage/respond.  But you’d rather just call me a bully.  I do play hard,
> but I play fair. So, in conclusion,  Fuck you, and carry on.
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 4:01 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> > Welcome Thomas
> >   Been awhile. We are back at the same old same old. Kind of boring. I
> seem to have roused anger among some. This was not intentional. Fortunately
> I only see Morris's hate mail indirectly in other member's posts, otherwise
> it goes in the trash.Not a bad use of email preferences.
> >
> > List
> > I feel bad because this is supposed to be a discussion of ch 8 and I
> introduced a forbidden if somewhat unavoidable topic not to push a theory
> but to probe at whether Pynchon’s look at 9-11 is asking any of the same
> questions I and so many have asked. I don’t have a clear theory, but I do
> have problems with the mainstream narrative as I do with some of the
> insider theories. I never expected agreement with my thoughts on how P is
> handling the topic and many of those thoughts are tentative as I suspect
> many of his are. But hey, maybe he is actually the omniscient God Devil
> author of this lost planet and just unwilling to let us in on the joke til
> the mortal veil is lifted. I doubt it but a person has no choice but to
> face whatever surprises or sudden final period life and death have to
> offer.
> >     I came to the list years ago when Dave Monroe was a central  figure,
> because someone gave me Vineland  and I laughed my ass off while taking a
> ride through America's version of 1984. Reading and writing about Pynchon
> and other topics has been an exercise in critical thinking and a deepening
> appreciation for a unique intellect with a unique approach to fiction who,
> if nothing else shares a picture of plutocrats, colonialism, state
> violence, and social injustice that makes sense to me. He also has an
> appetite for the silly, playful and light filled glory of earthly existance
> that I love traipsing through. From giggles to horror I’m all in.  Through
> the sparring on the list I got used to adjusting my ideas about what I read
> and to holding fast to what seemed good to me. I left for a good while at
> the start of the Russiagate fiasco because disgreement stirred too much
> emotion and had earlier driven away Robin Landseadel, one of my favorite P
> listers. I was also getting more involved in qigong and my own art-making,
> permaculture efforts, teaching and nonfiction reading material.
> >
> > Morris
> > Insults and social bullying are not effective forms of persuasion. The
> ease with which you and others are duped by these tactics was on full
> disply with Russiagate,  and also in your recent insults and verbal abuse
> to Thomas and probably myself. The trouble with binary models of reality is
> that both sides can be held together by a pack of lies and self
> righteousness just as both sides can be different ways of seeing truth. I
> personally think some ideas and practices are loathsome and some generate
> health, compassion and wisdom, so I am not a person to utterly deny the use
> of binary models but I try to be selective and avoid being easily
> categorized in the culture wars.  Trying to fit others into one of these
> categories is frequently dishonest and a way to conjure straw men which are
> conveniently easy to torch.This is far too common in current discourse.
> Respectful persuasion and strong logic and evidence has a better chance of
> good results.
> >
> > Mark
> > Your sentence that I quoted was mangled but I do get that you don’t like
> March K . This does not surprise me. I think Pynchon’s take is quite a bit
> more sympathetic, but hey, that could be my own sympathy.
> >
> > Maybe March is just an updated free silverite, her face tilted toward
> OZ, marching inwardly with Coxie’s army. I like her, partly because she is
> angry at the right things, though anger is its own drug and hard to tame
> and direct skillfully and wisely. Keep a cool head, but care, if I may
> paraphrase. I see in her also the same kind of sympathetic parental heart
> as I see in Ernie.
> >
> > My use of the f word was unnecessarily pissy. I tend to read sloppy
> sentences directed at me as disrespectful and can react  badly.
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Huebschraeuber via Pynchon-l <
> pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>> wrote:
> > >
> > > We are the same person, which I noted when I send my first comment to
> > > the list from the new account.
> > >
> > > Am 11.12.2021 um 14:35 schrieb David Morris:
> > >
> > >> This post now has me confused.
> > >>
> > >> Wasn’t the post below (“I am not sure about irony…”) from Thomas
> > >> Eckhardt?  Why is this Hueb asshole now sending it out?
> > >>
> > >> By the way, Huebschraeuber, FUCK OFF.
> > >>
> > >> David Morris
> > >>
> > >
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