BEg2 chapter 9

[Mark Kohut]

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59687236

On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 1:11 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> What was the debate question?
> Who won?  Is it possible to have a tie?
> Was it funny?
>
> On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 1:01 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> More "value-free: shit. Two Artificial Intelligence programs debated
>> at Oxford the other evening. On AI, of course:
>> Course co-director Dr Alex Connock admitted that the debate was something
>> of "a gimmick", but argued that as AI is likely to be the subject
>> of discussion "for decades to come" it was important to have a
>> "morally agnostic participant".
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 3:37 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Whole shitload of historic resonance in these lines: p. 89
>> > "We're beyond good & evil here, the technology, it's neutral, eh?
>> >
>> > Ah, no it ain't, TRP's whole belief system says. This is what was said
>> by
>> > many as science
>> > lost its human anchoring in the modern world. Value-free.NEVER.
>> > Scientists just working on nuclear
>> > fission or fusion because that's what pure scientists do; how the work
>> > will be used is not what they
>> > have to concern themselves with, right? Wrong. See an influence we
>> think:
>> > Lewis Mumford.
>> > Front page NYT Book Review rave as the 60s turned into the 70s. (orig
>> pub
>> > date, 1970):
>> > Pentagon Of Power: The Myth Of The Machine, Vol. II
>> > <
>> https://www.amazon.com/Pentagon-Power-Myth-Machine-Vol/dp/0156716100/ref=sr_1_2?crid=32742K3A5T0WT&keywords=lewis+mumford+the+myth+of+the+machine&qid=1639816237&sprefix=mumford%2C+lewis+%2Caps%2C59&sr=8-2
>> >
>> > by Lewis Mumford
>> > <
>> https://www.amazon.com/Lewis-Mumford/e/B001HCW21A?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_2&qid=1639816237&sr=8-2
>> >
>> >   | Mar 20, 1974
>> > 4.8 out of
>> > Paperback
>> > <
>> https://www.amazon.com/Pentagon-Power-Myth-Machine-Vol/dp/0156716100/ref=sr_1_2?crid=32742K3A5T0WT&keywords=lewis+mumford+the+myth+of+the+machine&qid=1639816237&sprefix=mumford%2C+lewis+%2Caps%2C59&sr=8-2
>> >
>> > $27.99$27.99 $35.95$35.95
>> > <
>> https://www.amazon.com/Pentagon-Power-Myth-Machine-Vol/dp/0156716100/ref=sr_1_2?crid=32742K3A5T0WT&keywords=lewis+mumford+the+myth+of+the+machine&qid=1639816237&sprefix=mumford%2C+lewis+%2Caps%2C59&sr=8-2
>> >
>> >
>> > TRP shows us here what he fears is the case with computer/internet
>> > technology.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 3:20 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> What does the sound of Lavoof's name remind a Pynchon reader of?
>> >> Half-a-Loaf?
>> >>
>> >> And Phipps Epperdew definition:
>> >>
>> >> Éperdue definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
>> >> <https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/eperdue>
>> >>
>> >> Éperdue definition: feminine form of eperdu , meaning distracted |
>> >> Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 2:55 AM Michael Bailey <
>> >> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Quoth Quail:
>> >>>
>> >>> Cue Homer Simpson forehead slap and "D'oh!" on my part. You are right;
>> >>> of *course* Maxine's probably being sarcastic!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> - Only after a similar brow assault did that occur to me, hours after
>> I
>> >>> posted.
>> >>>
>> >>>  I was getting ready to tie Guys and Dolls action into the theme of
>> >>> the book; the way Nathan Detroit was unable to commit, like Horst,
>> >>> might’ve been a good entry point. Windust would be like that Sky
>> >>> Masterson character, hustling Maxine off to Havana for Cuba Libres,
>> >>> and plotting against Castro at the same time? ACFE would be like the
>> >>> Salvation Army, Nicely Nicely Johnson could be…
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> High School Musical? Noooooooooooooo!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> - Yeah, maybe one of the sequels instead. So hard to choose!
>> >>> --
>> >>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>> >>>
>> >>
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