BEg2 chapter 9

[David Morris]

What was the debate question?
Who won?  Is it possible to have a tie?
Was it funny?

On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 1:01 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> More "value-free: shit. Two Artificial Intelligence programs debated
> at Oxford the other evening. On AI, of course:
> Course co-director Dr Alex Connock admitted that the debate was something
> of "a gimmick", but argued that as AI is likely to be the subject
> of discussion "for decades to come" it was important to have a
> "morally agnostic participant".
>
> On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 3:37 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Whole shitload of historic resonance in these lines: p. 89
> > "We're beyond good & evil here, the technology, it's neutral, eh?
> >
> > Ah, no it ain't, TRP's whole belief system says. This is what was said by
> > many as science
> > lost its human anchoring in the modern world. Value-free.NEVER.
> > Scientists just working on nuclear
> > fission or fusion because that's what pure scientists do; how the work
> > will be used is not what they
> > have to concern themselves with, right? Wrong. See an influence we think:
> > Lewis Mumford.
> > Front page NYT Book Review rave as the 60s turned into the 70s. (orig pub
> > date, 1970):
> > Pentagon Of Power: The Myth Of The Machine, Vol. II
> > <
> https://www.amazon.com/Pentagon-Power-Myth-Machine-Vol/dp/0156716100/ref=sr_1_2?crid=32742K3A5T0WT&keywords=lewis+mumford+the+myth+of+the+machine&qid=1639816237&sprefix=mumford%2C+lewis+%2Caps%2C59&sr=8-2
> >
> > by Lewis Mumford
> > <
> https://www.amazon.com/Lewis-Mumford/e/B001HCW21A?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_2&qid=1639816237&sr=8-2
> >
> >   | Mar 20, 1974
> > 4.8 out of
> > Paperback
> > <
> https://www.amazon.com/Pentagon-Power-Myth-Machine-Vol/dp/0156716100/ref=sr_1_2?crid=32742K3A5T0WT&keywords=lewis+mumford+the+myth+of+the+machine&qid=1639816237&sprefix=mumford%2C+lewis+%2Caps%2C59&sr=8-2
> >
> > $27.99$27.99 $35.95$35.95
> > <
> https://www.amazon.com/Pentagon-Power-Myth-Machine-Vol/dp/0156716100/ref=sr_1_2?crid=32742K3A5T0WT&keywords=lewis+mumford+the+myth+of+the+machine&qid=1639816237&sprefix=mumford%2C+lewis+%2Caps%2C59&sr=8-2
> >
> >
> > TRP shows us here what he fears is the case with computer/internet
> > technology.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 3:20 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What does the sound of Lavoof's name remind a Pynchon reader of?
> >> Half-a-Loaf?
> >>
> >> And Phipps Epperdew definition:
> >>
> >> Éperdue definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
> >> <https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/eperdue>
> >>
> >> Éperdue definition: feminine form of eperdu , meaning distracted |
> >> Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 2:55 AM Michael Bailey <
> >> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Quoth Quail:
> >>>
> >>> Cue Homer Simpson forehead slap and "D'oh!" on my part. You are right;
> >>> of *course* Maxine's probably being sarcastic!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - Only after a similar brow assault did that occur to me, hours after I
> >>> posted.
> >>>
> >>>  I was getting ready to tie Guys and Dolls action into the theme of
> >>> the book; the way Nathan Detroit was unable to commit, like Horst,
> >>> might’ve been a good entry point. Windust would be like that Sky
> >>> Masterson character, hustling Maxine off to Havana for Cuba Libres,
> >>> and plotting against Castro at the same time? ACFE would be like the
> >>> Salvation Army, Nicely Nicely Johnson could be…
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> High School Musical? Noooooooooooooo!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - Yeah, maybe one of the sequels instead. So hard to choose!
> >>> --
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> >>>
> >>
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