Impeachment Briefing: The House prepares to vote

Mark Kohut mark.kohut at gmail.com
Wed Jan 13 10:42:06 UTC 2021 

I will disagree....Nancy Pelosi is running the second brilliant PRINCIPLED
impeachment of her career---our
career in this democracy. Notice, both times ONLY when the basis of our
democracy--a free and fair election--was
what treasonous Trump assailed.

And now, I suggest, McConnell is stage-managing a surgical nuke strike at
Trump--overtly willing and leading what
will be maybe the heaviest vote by both houses of congress to impeach and
convict (not sure, weak on those historical details)
If he doesn't resign---which is another reason McConnell leaked his words
NOW.....to tell him he should--or else. It is like
when Goldwater, Baker, et al went into Nixon's office although no one can
do that to Trump now. Trump only listens to what he
hears on the media....In Michael Wolfe's's* Fire & the Fury *he reports on
how THIS was the way warring factions of influence got their
messages to The Donald.

Trump will be alone,  penniless, ready for more truth than he can handle,
trials than he can count, for jail time he can't handle either
and he will still be punished less than the damages, the lives lost and
ruined, the kids in cages, he caused.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 5:14 AM Erik T. Burns <eburns at gmail.com> wrote:

>  There is no real direction here, neither lines of power nor cooperation.
> Decisions are never really made – at best they manage to emerge, from a
> chaos of peeves, whims, hallucinations and all around assholery.
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:08 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Momentum is building among Republicans to impeach Trump.
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> > > January 12, 2021
> > >
> > > By Noah Weiland
> > >
> > > Welcome back to the Impeachment Briefing. The House will call on Vice
> > > President Mike Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment, as momentum builds
> > > among Republicans
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> > >
> > > to impeach President Trump.
> > > What happened today
> > >
> > >    - The House is poised to pass a resolution late tonight formally
> > >    calling on Vice President Mike Pence to strip President Trump of his
> > duties
> > >    by invoking the 25th Amendment, a complicated and difficult process
> > >    <
> >
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> > >.
> > >    The measure asks the vice president to declare Mr. Trump “incapable
> of
> > >    executing the duties of his office and to immediately exercise
> powers
> > as
> > >    acting president.”
> > >    - Mr. Pence is unlikely to do so, and Democrats plan to begin a
> debate
> > >    on their impeachment resolution tomorrow morning, marching toward a
> > vote
> > >    late in the day unless Mr. Pence intervenes.
> > >    - Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, has told
> associates
> > >    that he believes Mr. Trump committed impeachable offenses
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> >
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> > >.
> > >    He also said that he was pleased that Democrats were moving to
> > impeach him,
> > >    believing that it would make it easier to purge him from the party,
> > >    according to people familiar with his thinking.
> > >    - At least three Republicans in the House have already announced
> they
> > >    would vote to impeach Mr. Trump. “The president of the United States
> > >    summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this
> > attack,”
> > >    one of those Republicans, Representative Liz Cheney, said. “There
> has
> > never
> > >    been a greater betrayal by a president of the United States of his
> > office
> > >    and his oath to the Constitution.”
> > >    - Advisers to Mr. McConnell have privately speculated that a dozen
> > >    Republican senators — and possibly more — could ultimately vote to
> > convict
> > >    the president in a Senate trial. To find Mr. Trump guilty, 17
> > Republicans
> > >    would need to join Democrats in voting against him.
> > >    - Far from contrite, Mr. Trump said on Tuesday that his remarks to a
> > >    rally before the Capitol riot last week were “totally appropriate.”
> > Mr.
> > >    Trump also suggested that “danger” could follow the Democrats’
> > decision to
> > >    impeach him a second time.
> > >    - In a lengthy report
> > >    <
> >
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> > >
> > >    to accompany their article of impeachment, House Democrats wrote:
> “The
> > >    president’s remaining term is limited — but a president capable of
> > >    fomenting a violent insurrection in the Capitol is capable of
> greater
> > >    dangers still. He must be removed from office as swiftly as the
> > >    Constitution allows.”
> > >
> > > Mike Pence’s last-minute falling out
> > >
> > > The relationship between the president and the vice president has
> become
> > > increasingly strained. My colleague Peter Baker, who covers the White
> > > House, wrote today about a dramatic sequence of confrontations last
> week
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> > >
> > > in which Mr. Trump lashed out at Mr. Pence for refusing to go along
> with
> > > his attempts to overturn the election.
> > >
> > > I asked Peter more about how their relationship collapsed in the waning
> > > days.
> > >
> > > Lawmakers seem to be latching onto the idea that Mr. Trump effectively
> > > unleashed a mob on his own vice president. Is that how you see it?
> > >
> > > That’s the view from Penceworld. Trump sicced the mob on him. He may
> not
> > > have imagined Trump supporters were going to march through the Capitol
> > > chanting, “Hang Mike Pence.” But that was a foreseeable outcome of the
> > > incendiary language he used against not just his political opponents
> but
> > > his own vice president. It boggles the mind.
> > >
> > > What kind of drama does the 25th Amendment resolution bring to this?
> > >
> > > It puts Trump a little bit on his back legs. Yes, he’s mad at Pence,
> but
> > > he has to realize Pence holds his fate in his hands. Pence has a
> vehicle,
> > > an instrument, to respond if Trump completely shoves him to the side.
> > >
> > > Unlike with his ceremonial role certifying the election, the 25th
> > > Amendment for Pence is a subjective choice. What he’s been telling
> people
> > > is that the mechanism is unwieldy and it might not work the way people
> > > want. You would have a situation where two people could be claiming to
> be
> > > president at the same time. There are factors there that go beyond
> > personal
> > > loyalty.
> > >
> > > What did last Wednesday represent in a Trump-Pence relationship
> typically
> > > marked by fealty?
> > >
> > > Pence finally met a juncture that he couldn’t finesse. He finally met a
> > > potential breaking point with Trump he couldn’t get out of. For three
> > years
> > > and 11 months he had managed to sidestep every possible blowup by
> saying
> > > things to make Trump just happy enough to manage Trump’s red line. This
> > was
> > > finally one he couldn’t do that with.
> > >
> > > What does it say about Trump’s presidency that it’s ending in an
> > > impeachment so convulsive that it’ll carry over to the next president’s
> > > term?
> > >
> > > It’s completely unthinkable and wholly predictable.
> > > Inside the White House
> > >
> > > Mr. Trump’s refusal to condemn his own words was part of a decades-long
> > > Trump playbook, my colleague Maggie Haberman, who also covers the White
> > > House, told me today. She referenced a video Mr. Trump recorded last
> week
> > > acknowledging there would be a transition of power — the closest he has
> > > come to a formal concession.
> > >
> > > “This is always what he does. This was inevitable,” she said of Mr.
> > > Trump’s comments today. “When he gives some kind of concession, as he
> did
> > > in that video last week, he doesn’t get the praise he thought he would
> > for
> > > it and worries he looks weak.”
> > >
> > > Maggie walked me through two other unusual dynamics to help explain how
> > > Mr. Trump and the White House are girding for this round of
> impeachment.
> > >
> > > 1. The legal team won’t be the same.
> > >
> > > For the last impeachment, Mr. Trump was represented by Pat Cipollone,
> the
> > > White House counsel, and two other top White House lawyers. Outside
> > lawyers
> > > — Jay Sekulow and Marty and Jane Raskin, who defended him in the
> Mueller
> > > investigation — also joined the effort. This time around, Mr. Trump
> won’t
> > > have any help from that group.
> > >
> > > “My sense is that people don’t want to do this,” Maggie said. “There is
> > > just widespread anger at him over what took place, internally.”
> > >
> > > In the last impeachment, Maggie added, “a majority of them genuinely
> > > believed that there was an overreach even if they were uncomfortable
> with
> > > the language of the call,” referring to Mr. Trump’s conversation with
> > > Ukraine’s president. “Enough of them didn’t believe it was an
> impeachable
> > > offense.”
> > >
> > > 2. Rudy Giuliani, implicated in the riot, could be Mr. Trump’s lead
> > lawyer
> > > in a trial.
> > >
> > > Rudy Giuliani, who has spent months fanning baseless voter fraud
> > > accusations, arguably helped lead Mr. Trump to his first impeachment.
> He
> > > also played a role in the events leading up to last Wednesday’s riot,
> > > telling the gathering of Trump supporters that it was time for “trial
> by
> > > combat.” That would put him in the unusual position of defending his
> > client
> > > against charges he arguably influenced with his own actions.
> > >
> > > That Mr. Giuliani is still at Mr. Trump’s side is an indication of
> their
> > > long history, Maggie said.
> > >
> > > “There are a couple of people who will have this grand pass with Donald
> > > Trump,” she said, “and he’s one of them.”
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