MJJG: List-O-Mania: intertextual refs from pg 75 to 102

[David Elliott]

 Thanks for the comments. I was hoping to goad someone into sharing thoughts on his motive for using the lyric. I’m under the impression that “one never knows, do one?” and “pedal extremities” were popular catchphrases back in the day. You are correct that it is not certain he was referring to “YourFeet’s Too Big”. I do believe that is the origin of those catchphrases. Or maybe the song popularized the phrases. It’s possible they were already part of Fats’ vocabulary. This is all conjecture. They are not part of the original lyric the Ink Spots recorded.
I’ll come back later and read your comments and the text again. I was thinking along the same lines as some of your comments. I at first thought IR was just referring to the absurdities with the line “One never knows, do one?” and not considering the entire song. Then I noticed “pedal extremities” on my second read and reconsidered. I’ll try to share more thoughts later when I have more time. 
It’s apparently true that Al Capone’s henchmen kidnapped Fats to have him sing for his birthday. I don’t know if this particular song was the motive. I watched the video.The song is included on various gray area releases of the Star Club tapes. 


    On Wednesday, January 20, 2021, 08:20:58 AM EST, Raphael Saltwood <plainmrbotanyb at outlook.com> wrote:  
 
 PS - thanks for deepening the discussion!
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Subject: Re: MJJG: List-O-Mania: intertextual refs from pg 75 to 102 It’s possible, but certainly not certain, that Mr Waller was alluding to the song, “One Never Knows, Does One?,” isn’t it?
In which case, his purport might have been to play up the contrast between the humorous-hostile lyric of “Feet’s...,” and the wistful sweetness of “One....”
And of course that amazing punim!

But I still don’t get if Reed was using it to a purpose 
- what has “One Never Knows, Do One?” to do with a submarine belonging to the Wallflower Order which they had dispatched to bring Hinckle von Vampton to “the Templars’ private, secluded estate on Long Island” — 
Unless there is a sort of consonance between the way the effects clash in each case:
Viz: After the rollicking, over the top & play-hostile lyrics of “Your Feet’s Too Big” Waller quotes a love song with a dialectal twist (“do one” instead of “does one”) to give the song an uplifting aftertaste?
And: After describing the subversive, surreal submarine and its unlikely complement of unlovables, Reed uses the quote to shift gears into a description of the agreeable scene of the household staff - maids with hair blowing in the breeze - greeting Von Vampton?
Or --Is Reed with the juxtaposition suggesting that “Feet’s Too Big” is coded reference to the large feet of the listed white oppressors - stamping on the rights and perceptions and lives of the Jes Grew contingent - synecdochically embodied in the person of Von Vampton, soon to bring his unlikely-to-be-benevolent despotism to the household staff?
In which case, the uncertainty indicated in the phrase is in fact nonexistent, making its use ironic.
Also - YouTube now has a lot of the Beatles fan club material that I think you, David, were referring to - 
https://youtu.be/A8NjeREF3zg

Which looks like someone has tampered creatively with it, but has the interesting comment in the comments section that Al Capone had Fats Waller kidnapped in order to have him sing this song at his (Capone’s) birthday party!

BTW, happy Inauguration Day to all and sundried tomatoes (-;


From: Raphael Saltwood <PlainMrBotanyB at outlook.com>
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Subject: Re: MJJG: List-O-Mania: intertextual refs from pg 75 to 102 
Even the album entitled “One Never Knows, Do One?” by Fats Waller and His Rhythm Five —-doesn’t have that song on it.
So, apparently his interjection & the way he said it  - not the song - was the cultural reference.
Thanks for the better attribution!
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Subject: Re: MJJG: List-O-Mania: intertextual refs from pg 75 to 102 I’m catching up on the read and replying to a comment from December. I’m ahead in the novel on this second time through but won’t be on the same page with the group read till tonight.Did Fats Waller ever record “One Never Knows, Does One”? I am familiar with the Billie Holiday recording.
Fats ad libbed “One never knows, do one?” at the end of “Your Feet’s Too Big”
Who's that walkin' round here? Mercy
Sounds like baby patter, baby elephant patter, that's what I call it
Say up in Harlem at a table for two
There were four of us, me, your big feet and you
>From your ankles up, I'd say you sure look sweet
>From there down there's just too much feetYes, your feet's too big
Don't want ya 'cause ya feet's too big
Can't use ya 'cause ya feet's too big
I really hate ya 'cause ya feet's too bigWhere did ya get 'em?
Your girl she likes you, she thinks you're nice
Got what it takes to be in paradise
She says she likes your face
She likes your race
Man oh man and things are too bigOh your feet's too big
Don't wantcha 'cause ya feet's too big
Mad at you 'cause your feet's too big
I hate you 'cause your feet's too bigMy goodness, [Incomprehensible], shiff shiff shiff
Oh your peddelic extremities are colossal
To me you look just like a fossil
You got me walkin', talkin' and squarkin'
'Cause your feet's too big, yeahCome on and walk that thing
Oh I've never heard of such walkin', Mercy
Your, your peddelic extremities really are obnoxious
One never knows do one?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=in1eK3x1PBI


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Feet's_Too_Big


On Thursday, December 24, 2020, 01:40:26 AM EST, Raphael Saltwood <plainmrbotanyb at outlook.com> wrote:
pg 85 Fats Waller (actually a song) "one never knows, do one?"

obtuse detournement of the lyric (afaict) to apply after a list of Wallflower Order underlings, the restiveness of whom is somehow curbed by the Wallflower Order's WWI surplus submarine (its presence intimidates? it's used for extrajudicial extractions?)

"one never knows, does one?
When love will come along
Then so suddenly life turns out to be a song
One never knows, does one?
The moment or the place
Then right before your eyes
Someone occupies your embrace
Someday look and you'll find
Two hearts were blessed
Someday fate may be kind
Pray for the future, hope for the best
One never knows, does one?
That's just the way it goes
All at once you hear "Hold me, caress me" and then
Love may come but when, one never knows.