BE group read: CH 2

Mon Nov 8 22:06:07 UTC 2021

Oh, and the “z” in hashslingerz seems like a typical “cute” advertising
spelling.  Like the “k” in Kit Kat or the “z” in BOYZ.

BOYZ by M.I.A.
https://youtu.be/wcN1i6Qcjxg

David Morris

On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 3:51 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> A hash slinger is a short order cook. Someone who “slings” crap food
> across a grill and onto a plate, to be served in a cheap diner.  “Crap
> thrower” might be its equivalent.  Or crap “server”:  somebody who serves
> crap.
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 3:39 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>> > "kleptos of monstrous proportions, but all of these people are wined
>> and dined and enabled  by bankers, insurers, lawyers ad inifintium in New
>> York, London (especially), Zurich--those are the centers of modern
>> corruption not Moscow or Beijing (though they have many players in the
>> game). stateless banking is the adversary here.”    rich
>> and credit card rates that start where people used to be indicted for
>> loansharking.
>>
>> And hashslingerz is not just one of the private kleptos, but is founded
>> on software to protect and insulate both the kleptos and perhaps government
>> secrets too..My first suspect as real world parallel is Google whose
>> founders were from  earliest research at Stanford funded by military and
>> intelligence money(
>> https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e
>> <
>> https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e>
>> ). If you design super fast efficient code to find everything on the web,
>> you probably know more than anyone about how and where to hide stuff from
>> searches, hackers etc. You also have a big say in what information searches
>> turn up.
>>
>>  One thing I wonder about is the name hashslingerz. is the hash potatoes?
>> Doesn’t sound right or connect to anything obvious in the book.
>> Hash tags,  secure hash algorithms, hash functions etc seem a better bet
>> as basic to digital processes, encryption etc.
>> And is it slingerz with the once clever z people use, or  is it lingers?
>> the dangers of leaving a digital trail? Both? So I get the image of a
>> digital short order cook at a resturaunt near you serving a universal need,
>> like say free email accounts, becoming a virtual monopoly and leader of
>> surveillance capitalism, but with a second  less obvious agenda as it
>> enters the world of intelligence contracts . Again Google fits the bill.
>>
>> On the other hand the timing seems iffy. All the core  search engine
>> software was there before 2001 plus a lot of funding toward the IPO, but
>> the actual IPO happened in 2004. They went super-big fast and its hard to
>> say if 9-11 helped them but it certainly created an everybody is suspicious
>> and no one should expect anonymity atmosphere… except? well we may need to
>> make some exceptions for the managers of this new digital panopticon.
>>
>> I’m probably drifting too paranoid, maybe too much garlic here; just
>> tryin to keep the vampires at bay. Rein me in with some different takes.
>> This is supposed to be fun , right.
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 8, 2021, at 2:16 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Howdy
>> >
>> > I'll leave others to answer the deep web question, but one presumes
>> hashlingerz and others are private companies, for which, there is a ,
>> dearth of information. Public companies whose shares are traded on public
>> exchanges are required to file reports with the SEC on the company and its
>> top execs (and even those are questionable), but there is no such
>> requirement for private companies, so you can find little more than state
>> registration info (and good luck if they are registered in Delaware or
>> South Dakota, the latter is the new Caymans--countries so designated tax
>> havens can now add the US to that list). So, no surprise one can find
>> anything on Lexis Nexis.
>> > One can see how corrupting the system can be when information is the
>> baseline, and only those with resources can take full advantage. I'm
>> surprised Maxine can nail anyone of substance. Yes, there are oligarchs and
>> corrupt heads of state and kleptos of monstrous proportions, but all of
>> these people are winded and dined and enabled  by bankers, insurers,
>> lawyers ad inifintium in New York, London (especially), Zurich--those are
>> the centers of modern corruption not Moscow or Beijing (though they have
>> many players in the game). stateless banking is the adversary here.
>> >
>> > rich
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 12:43 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
>> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>> > Maxine suggests that the information Reg needs about hashslingerz would
>> normally be easy to get to with Nexis Lexis, HotBot….
>> >
>> > R “What I’m really looking for,” solemn more than impatient, “probably
>> won’t be anyplace any search engine can get to.”
>> > M “Because . . . what you’re looking for . . .”
>> >  R  “Just normal company records—daybooks, ledgers, logs, tax sheets.
>> But try to have a look, and that’s when it gets weird, everything stashed
>> away far far beyond the reach of LexisNexis.”
>> >
>> > Here we get our first indication that there is a web that is not
>> avilable to the public, except with special procedures and passwords , the
>> deep web . This deep web operates in the novel in 2 ways, as the reality of
>> a secret communication and infomation storage system and IMO as  a kind of
>> digital subconscious where new forms  and arenas of consciousness are
>> emerging, a telling reflection of our desires and hidden doings.
>> >
>> > Practically  It brings up questions out of my depth. I have a general
>> idea of the the deepweb but plenty that I don’t understand at all. I assume
>> it means code stored on servers as opposed to computers. So I will try to
>> ask some questions and hope there are p-listers who understand this stuff
>> better than I do and might be wiling to offer or direct us to good info.
>> >
>> > Are there servers that are just private storage or are all servers
>> required to register
>> > or have some trackable identity? What exactly does it mean to be
>> indexed? How hidden can information be.
>> > There are drug and contraband dealers who use the deep web. This and
>> any other illicit use of the deep web is often called the dark web. Is
>> access by word of mouth? what keeps them from being busted? are transactons
>> possible here without known addresses? suggested articles?
>> > on stored in the Deep Web be?  Are there search engines like deep
>> archer that can find and make acessible the deep web. Has getting this
>> access always been the essence of hacking?
>> > It seems that P is suggesting digital tech opens new ways to hide money
>> transactions etc. Has anyone tried to estimate the tax losses etc? Any
>> thoughts on how much of this is going on?
>> > Does anyone have more intelligent questions about this. I read the
>> wikipedia article on this topic  last time we read BE and not much stuck.
>> I Will re-read more on the topic  but it’s definitely not my natural
>> terrain. Pretty ok at photo editing and paint programs but that only as it
>> relates to my own art processes and website.
>> >
>> >  Some expertise in this area of the functioning of the Deep web/Dark
>> Web would definitely add to understading BE.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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