Not BE Reread. America runs on less than 2/3 fossil fuels. Down even more since 2015 but can't find succinctly.

Sat Nov 13 19:34:08 UTC 2021

Coal <http://needtoknow.nas.edu/energy/energy-sources/fossil-fuels/coal/>

In 2015, *33.2% of U.S. electricity* came from coal— roughly equal to
natural gas (32.7%), but greater than nuclear power (20%) or renewable
energy sources (13%).

There is an abundant supply of coal in the United States and it’s a
relatively inexpensive energy source, but it is declining in use. What are
the costs of mining and burning this resource and is there a good way to
address them?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 6:34 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Said what I wish to say in earlier posts. Lost interest. Moving on.
>
> > On Nov 12, 2021, at 6:19 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So wank away in protest, and pretend your reasoning has any connection
> to anything other than identifying as a protester.  But you don’t even do
> that for real.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 5:55 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> > Of course it translates into global warming. The economy runs on fossil
> fuel.
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 12, 2021, at 3:56 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com <mailto:
> fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Um…
> >>
> >> 1. A “hot” economy doesn’t translate into global warming. *That sounds
> like something Ted Cruz might say in a speech to idiots*. Now THAT you
> might call a put down.
> >>
> >> 2.  Would you rather that we have a “cold” economy (in order to slow
> global warming?)?
> >>
> >> 3.  If you want to make “usury” QE into an evil, deceptive force that’s
> causing us to all see our hard-earned household safety and money melt away
> from our fingers, then what monetary strategy would you have implemented to
> try to claw back from the COVID recession which was greater than the 2008
> Great Recession?
> >>
> >> David Morris
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 3:22 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> >> Just want it to be clear that I am not opposed to  paper money  at all.
> The real issue for me  is putting usury and the financial industry  backed
> by fossil fuels/petrodollars and the war industry at t he center of the
> economy. The result may indeed be what David Morris’s reference calls a hot
> economy , but it is a heat that is all too real and is burning down  the
> biosphere.  Numbers are not the same as  breathable air, safe temperatures,
> clean water, food and shelter and friendship and music making. All the
> zeroes and ones in the universe do not add up to life. When your money that
> you worked just as hard for this week as last is losing value in almost
> every area, that is inflation. and that comes from an imbalance between
> dollars and real stuff.
> >>   The fossil fuel companies contiue to get government support even as
> they dump billions of tons of waste material into air and ground that they
> are stealing from the earth and her people for use as a toxic waste dump.
> >>
> >> > On Nov 12, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Richard Romeo <richard.romeo at gmail.com
> <mailto:richard.romeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I think much the same, Joseph. The fossil fuel industry are nations
> unto themselves. And I’m not sure any President has much sway over them if
> we still have renewable energy still in its young adulthood and with
> nuclear in and out and back in of the picture.
> >> > I don’t think of QE as good or bad, just another tool in the toolbox
> to spur economic growth in times of lackluster economic trends.
> >> > But the US does still have the advantage of the dollar containing to
> be the global base currency and we can tweak here and there
> >> > I don’t see anyone going back to the gold standard. Money has been
> let loose. I can’t see how that genie gets back in the bottle. It’s so
> intertwined in the global economy now.
> >> > I think all this ties into the irrelevance of nation states. Sure we
> have borders but money doesn’t.
> >> > With that said, The US still has flexibility and control over its
> economy and currency. But it’s not a given with the current dysfunction,
> cynicism and corruption in the US today.
> >> > The US does need to invest in its infrastructure and in social
> programs. Which will benefit on many different levels, personal social and
> political. But not with the current leadership as is, much of it on the
> Republican side. It was bad enough when Reagan said govt was the problem;
> it’s gone way past that now. But we need govt to work. I’m not keen on
> Weimar comparisons but the hollowing out of effective governance is pretty
> clear
> >> >
> >> > rich
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On Nov 12, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Apologies for name fumble. too many commentators out there. My main
> point is I am highly dubious Biden will be seriously challenging the US
> fossil fuel industry in any substantive way.  I could certainly prove wrong
> but things don’t look good to me. Agree not relevant to BE. Not that
> important.
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Nov 12, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It isn't Ignatious, it's Yglesias and his point is not about all
> that....
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Biden has already changed some of the dynamics....
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Otherwise, I'm not engaging since this is a good BE Read and
> everyone's interpretative analyses may differ.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 10:21 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
> brook7 at sover.net>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> define “imaginary money.”
> >> >>> Basically when money is released into circulation that has no
> corresponding economic growth/new value. Many economists from different
> political positions and economic biases have questioned the benefits of
> Quantitative Easing as a solution to any and every sign of economic
> faltering. Already China and other countries are pulling away from the
> dollar  and Tbills as overvalued.  Tying up metals as markers of wealth
> seems like a waste of gold, silver, whatever as highly useful and
> decorative material. But people  around the world buy gold against
> inflation and it works pretty well. Also indebting the tax base to ever
> increasing military budgets is draining value from currency at a time when
> ecological threats far far outweigh military threats.  Passive solar houses
> and business buildings are a far better hedge against inflation than
> truckloads of high tech weapons that lose wars.  Locally grown food and
> locally made necessities the best hedge agains attenuated  fossil fuel
> dependent supply lines.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> IMO Ignatius is fantasizing if he thinks Biden is going to
> challenge the oil companies. Look at COP; look at the pipelines. The dollar
> = oil.
> >> >>> Food is grown with fossil fuels, delivered with fossil fuels,
> wrapped in fossil fuels and converted into debt measured in fossil fuels.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> On Nov 12, 2021, at 9:12 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com> <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com <mailto:
> fqmorris at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Please define “imaginary money.”
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Like, as opposed to gold or something?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I can’t wait for this…
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> David Morris
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 8:54 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
> brook7 at sover.net>> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>
> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> Maybe not price gouging but when goverment pumps tons of imaginary
> money into the economy it starts to lose value. Quantitative Easing was the
> phrase.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Nov 12, 2021, at 7:12 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:
> mark.kohut at gmail.com>> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:
> mark.kohut at gmail.com> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:
> mark.kohut at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Love in the Time of Web3, Pynchon is smiling when he saw that....
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias>> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias>>>>
> >> >>>>> Matthew Yglesias
> >> >>>>> @mattyglesias
> >> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias>> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias>>>>
> >> >>>>> ·
> >> >>>>> 12m <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1459126609521295389
> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1459126609521295389> <
> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1459126609521295389 <
> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1459126609521295389>> <
> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1459126609521295389 <
> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1459126609521295389> <
> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1459126609521295389 <
> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1459126609521295389>>>>
> >> >>>>> Agree with Robinson — you can’t take the politics out of
> politics! Biden
> >> >>>>> should also investigate price-gouging and anti-competitive
> behavior by
> >> >>>>> retail gas stations and have the FTC ask if cartel-like behavior
> by oil
> >> >>>>> company shareholders is restraining supply.
> >> >>>>> --
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