Not BE Reread. America runs on less than 2/3 fossil fuels. Down even more since 2015 but can't find succinctly.

Keith Davis kbob42 at gmail.com
Sun Nov 14 15:51:18 UTC 2021 

And then there’s that old bothersome mortality thing. Oh well, fuck it. Guess I’ll go read a book. A good book…

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> On Nov 14, 2021, at 5:45 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh.  You found his point?  Well, I guess I didn’t see the point of his
> point.
> 
> *Your point was*:  The US still generates about 1/3 of its electricity from
> coal (but that’s soon to decline).
> 
> *His point was*:  Yeah, but we still burn a shitload of oil and gas for all
> sorts of other necessary stuff.
> 
> *More to that point,  you both could have just said*:  COP26 was a big
> failure, and we’re all pretty well fucked (but most of us will be dead
> before it gets too real).
> 
> *And as Rich points out*:  We’re all complicit.
> 
> But if you want a bunch of climate facts (points!!!) to make yourself into
> a real drag at the next party, download this:
> 
> Free eBook: The Good Guide to Effective Climate Action in the 21st Century:
> “ You know climate change is a problem [right?], but what do you do next?
> This 99-page guide rounds up all you need to know about how (and why) to
> measure, reduce and offset your emissions—and help build a better future.”
> 
> But…
> Oh, well…
> That’s better than NOTHING.
> 
> David Morris
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 5:03 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Good point.
>> Here is a more thorough answer, using the last year for which we have total
>> reliable stats:
>> In 2018, those “fossil fuels” fed about 80% of the nation’s energy demand,
>> down slightly from 84% a decade earlier. Although coal use has declined in
>> recent years, natural gas use has soared, while oil’s share of the nation’s
>> energy tab has fluctuated between 35% and 40%.
>> 
>> https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/01/15/renewable-energy-is-growing-fast-in-the-u-s-but-fossil-fuels-still-dominate/
>> 
>> I'll look for late 2021 info. Maybe another year of reliable stats have
>> been generated. If so, and it is 2020, we know everything went
>> down....temporarily. Risen again this year...
>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 7:38 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That’s just electricity. What about fertilizer, gas for farm equipment,
>>> lawnmowing, shipping, oil refining, driving, flying, heating oil,
>>> manufacturing
>>> equipment that runs on gas or oil, plastics, diesel trucking? There is
>>> also greenhouse gases released from concrete. These are not trivial
>> sectors
>>> of the economy.
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 13, 2021, at 2:34 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Coal <http://needtoknow.nas.edu/energy/energy-sources/fossil-fuels/coal/
>>> 
>>> In 2015, *33.2% of U.S. electricity* came from coal— roughly equal to
>>> natural gas (32.7%), but greater than nuclear power (20%) or renewable
>>> energy sources (13%).
>>> There is an abundant supply of coal in the United States and it’s a
>>> relatively inexpensive energy source, but it is declining in use. What
>> are
>>> the costs of mining and burning this resource and is there a good way to
>>> address them?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 6:34 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Said what I wish to say in earlier posts. Lost interest. Moving on.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 12, 2021, at 6:19 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> So wank away in protest, and pretend your reasoning has any connection
>>>> to anything other than identifying as a protester.  But you don’t even
>> do
>>>> that for real.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 5:55 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
>> <mailto:
>>>> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>>>>> Of course it translates into global warming. The economy runs on
>> fossil
>>>> fuel.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2021, at 3:56 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
>> <mailto:
>>>> fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Um…
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. A “hot” economy doesn’t translate into global warming. *That
>> sounds
>>>> like something Ted Cruz might say in a speech to idiots*. Now THAT you
>>>> might call a put down.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2.  Would you rather that we have a “cold” economy (in order to slow
>>>> global warming?)?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3.  If you want to make “usury” QE into an evil, deceptive force
>>>> that’s causing us to all see our hard-earned household safety and money
>>>> melt away from our fingers, then what monetary strategy would you have
>>>> implemented to try to claw back from the COVID recession which was
>> greater
>>>> than the 2008 Great Recession?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 3:22 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
>>>> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> Just want it to be clear that I am not opposed to  paper money  at
>>>> all. The real issue for me  is putting usury and the financial industry
>>>> backed by fossil fuels/petrodollars and the war industry at t he center
>> of
>>>> the economy. The result may indeed be what David Morris’s reference
>> calls a
>>>> hot economy , but it is a heat that is all too real and is burning down
>>>> the biosphere.  Numbers are not the same as  breathable air, safe
>>>> temperatures, clean water, food and shelter and friendship and music
>>>> making. All the zeroes and ones in the universe do not add up to life.
>> When
>>>> your money that you worked just as hard for this week as last is losing
>>>> value in almost every area, that is inflation. and that comes from an
>>>> imbalance between dollars and real stuff.
>>>>>>  The fossil fuel companies contiue to get government support even as
>>>> they dump billions of tons of waste material into air and ground that
>> they
>>>> are stealing from the earth and her people for use as a toxic waste
>> dump.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Richard Romeo <
>> richard.romeo at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:richard.romeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think much the same, Joseph. The fossil fuel industry are nations
>>>> unto themselves. And I’m not sure any President has much sway over them
>> if
>>>> we still have renewable energy still in its young adulthood and with
>>>> nuclear in and out and back in of the picture.
>>>>>>> I don’t think of QE as good or bad, just another tool in the
>> toolbox
>>>> to spur economic growth in times of lackluster economic trends.
>>>>>>> But the US does still have the advantage of the dollar containing
>> to
>>>> be the global base currency and we can tweak here and there
>>>>>>> I don’t see anyone going back to the gold standard. Money has been
>>>> let loose. I can’t see how that genie gets back in the bottle. It’s so
>>>> intertwined in the global economy now.
>>>>>>> I think all this ties into the irrelevance of nation states. Sure
>> we
>>>> have borders but money doesn’t.
>>>>>>> With that said, The US still has flexibility and control over its
>>>> economy and currency. But it’s not a given with the current dysfunction,
>>>> cynicism and corruption in the US today.
>>>>>>> The US does need to invest in its infrastructure and in social
>>>> programs. Which will benefit on many different levels, personal social
>> and
>>>> political. But not with the current leadership as is, much of it on the
>>>> Republican side. It was bad enough when Reagan said govt was the
>> problem;
>>>> it’s gone way past that now. But we need govt to work. I’m not keen on
>>>> Weimar comparisons but the hollowing out of effective governance is
>> pretty
>>>> clear
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> rich
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
>>>> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Apologies for name fumble. too many commentators out there. My
>>>> main point is I am highly dubious Biden will be seriously challenging
>> the
>>>> US fossil fuel industry in any substantive way.  I could certainly prove
>>>> wrong but things don’t look good to me. Agree not relevant to BE. Not
>> that
>>>> important.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It isn't Ignatious, it's Yglesias and his point is not about all
>>>> that....
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Biden has already changed some of the dynamics....
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, I'm not engaging since this is a good BE Read and
>>>> everyone's interpretative analyses may differ.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 10:21 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
>>>> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
>>>> brook7 at sover.net>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> define “imaginary money.”
>>>>>>>>> Basically when money is released into circulation that has no
>>>> corresponding economic growth/new value. Many economists from different
>>>> political positions and economic biases have questioned the benefits of
>>>> Quantitative Easing as a solution to any and every sign of economic
>>>> faltering. Already China and other countries are pulling away from the
>>>> dollar  and Tbills as overvalued.  Tying up metals as markers of wealth
>>>> seems like a waste of gold, silver, whatever as highly useful and
>>>> decorative material. But people  around the world buy gold against
>>>> inflation and it works pretty well. Also indebting the tax base to ever
>>>> increasing military budgets is draining value from currency at a time
>> when
>>>> ecological threats far far outweigh military threats.  Passive solar
>> houses
>>>> and business buildings are a far better hedge against inflation than
>>>> truckloads of high tech weapons that lose wars.  Locally grown food and
>>>> locally made necessities the best hedge agains attenuated  fossil fuel
>>>> dependent supply lines.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> IMO Ignatius is fantasizing if he thinks Biden is going to
>>>> challenge the oil companies. Look at COP; look at the pipelines. The
>> dollar
>>>> = oil.
>>>>>>>>> Food is grown with fossil fuels, delivered with fossil fuels,
>>>> wrapped in fossil fuels and converted into debt measured in fossil
>> fuels.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2021, at 9:12 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com> <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>> fqmorris at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Please define “imaginary money.”
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Like, as opposed to gold or something?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I can’t wait for this…
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 8:54 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
>>>> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
>>>> brook7 at sover.net>> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>
>>>> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe not price gouging but when goverment pumps tons of
>>>> imaginary money into the economy it starts to lose value. Quantitative
>>>> Easing was the phrase.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2021, at 7:12 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>> mark.kohut at gmail.com>> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>> mark.kohut at gmail.com> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>> mark.kohut at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Love in the Time of Web3, Pynchon is smiling when he saw
>> that....
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
>>>> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
>>>> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias>> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
>>>> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
>>>> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Matthew Yglesias
>>>>>>>>>>> @mattyglesias
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
>>>> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
>>>> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias>> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
>>>> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias> <https://twitter.com/mattyglesias <
>>>> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ·
>>>>>>>>>>> 12m <
>> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1459126609521295389
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>>>> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1459126609521295389 <
>>>> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1459126609521295389>> <
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>>>> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1459126609521295389 <
>>>> https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1459126609521295389>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Agree with Robinson — you can’t take the politics out of
>>>> politics! Biden
>>>>>>>>>>> should also investigate price-gouging and anti-competitive
>>>> behavior by
>>>>>>>>>>> retail gas stations and have the FTC ask if cartel-like
>> behavior
>>>> by oil
>>>>>>>>>>> company shareholders is restraining supply.
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