Re: BEg2 chapter 5 - “Winnie List”

[David Morris]

All of that explains the length and details of the BE mini-spin-off fiction
some one put on the Pynchonwiki.  Only a devoted story teller would have
gone to such lengths.  And they had you hook line& sinker.  🤡

Bravo to them

On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 7:24 PM Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think the books Netslaves & Netslaves 2, which spun off from the
> now-defunct site netslaves.com (referenced often on disobey.com) have
> some credibility.
>
> I remember hearing good things about Netslaves at the time, but the name
> was offputting.
>
>
> Authors have good vitas, one of them worked at Pathfinder.
>
> Bill Lessard has written for The Industry Standard and CNET. He has worked
> for Prodigy, Time Warner's Pathfinder, and numerous failed startups. With
> Steve Baldwin, he is the coauthor of NetSlaves (McGraw-Hill) and cofounder
> of NetSlaves.com. He lives in Yonkers, New York. Steve Baldwin has been an
> editor at PC Magazine, Computer Shopper, and Pathfinder and developed
> "Ghost Sites of the Web," an acclaimed e-zine devoted to failed Web sites.
> With Bill Lessard, he is the coauthor of NetSlaves (McGraw-Hill) and
> cofounder of NetSlaves.com. He lives in New York City.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Net-Slaves-True-Tales-Working/dp/0071352430
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Net-Slaves-2-0-Tales-Surviving/dp/1581152841
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 7:03 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you saying Jane existed? Or that anything about that story (beside an
>> error in an OJReport) is true?
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 6:57 PM Michael Bailey <
>> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jane’s story culminates in her being the one at (name changed in story)
>>> Time Warner Pathfinder to put the “OJ Guilty” misprint up -
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.disobey.com/ghostsites/pathfindermuseum/hello/1322882/1024/pathfinder6-2005.06.20-12.09.56.jpg
>>>
>>> That brief error did happen.
>>>
>>> Does that prove there was a Winnie? Of course not.
>>>
>>> Is Jane’s story redolent with the flavor of dotcom contractors? Imho,
>>> yes.
>>> Is BE redolent in a similar way at various places? I think so.
>>> Does it improve the relishment of the story - yes.
>>>
>>> Want a Zima?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 6:05 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, I found the Brown reference.  He coined the phrase and concept,
>>>> but he never elaborated upon what it meant in any practical way.  I t
>>>> sounded cool, but that’s all it ever was, a cool idea without any real
>>>> application.
>>>>
>>>> But you don’t think Jane’s story or anything about Winnie’s list on
>>>> Pynchonwiki was real, do you?  What you call early dotcom lore is probably
>>>> a fiction made up after ATD was published, right?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 5:56 PM Michael Bailey <
>>>> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I appreciated the pointer to interesting early dotcom lore - &
>>>>> possible source material for Pynchon: Jane’s story has the $30 an hour, the
>>>>> Winnie list, &, seemed like, a couple other odds & ends that made it into
>>>>> BE - never would’ve found it without trying to prove you wrong, David.
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> It may not be as high flown as finding an IG Farben employee manual,
>>>>> but there’s a little frisson at Jane’s Story as a possible source, isn’t
>>>>> there?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, isn’t the Norman O Brown phrase you referenced the other day
>>>>> “polymorphous perversity?”
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope all your recuperating is going good!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 5:41 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I never thought Winnie’s list was anything other than a joke by
>>>>>> Pynchon.  It’s not like I complained about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The crazy thing is how far someone on the Pynchonwiki went to
>>>>>> “document” its reality.  But what really made that suspicious was the
>>>>>> length of Jane’s Story, and, of course it’s non-existence in any trace on
>>>>>> the web.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 5:33 PM Michael Bailey <
>>>>>> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BE is a work of fiction so it’s okay to have fictitious references
>>>>>>> (imho)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It’d be cool if employers thought so too (-;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>