Re: BEg2 chapter 5 - “Winnie List”

[Michael Bailey]

And yet I don’t mind.

Slight bit different scenario would be they too were convinced by the
disobey/ Netslaves tale & wiki’d it in good faith; or were leaving a
breadcrumb to site of interest even if non-factual. For enthusiastic
fictioneers, *especially* if non-factual.






On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 7:37 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> All of that explains the length and details of the BE mini-spin-off
> fiction some one put on the Pynchonwiki.  Only a devoted story teller would
> have gone to such lengths.  And they had you hook line& sinker.  🤡
>
> Bravo to them
>
> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 7:24 PM Michael Bailey <
> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the books Netslaves & Netslaves 2, which spun off from the
>> now-defunct site netslaves.com (referenced often on disobey.com) have
>> some credibility.
>>
>> I remember hearing good things about Netslaves at the time, but the name
>> was offputting.
>>
>>
>> Authors have good vitas, one of them worked at Pathfinder.
>>
>> Bill Lessard has written for The Industry Standard and CNET. He has
>> worked for Prodigy, Time Warner's Pathfinder, and numerous failed startups.
>> With Steve Baldwin, he is the coauthor of NetSlaves (McGraw-Hill) and
>> cofounder of NetSlaves.com. He lives in Yonkers, New York. Steve Baldwin
>> has been an editor at PC Magazine, Computer Shopper, and Pathfinder and
>> developed "Ghost Sites of the Web," an acclaimed e-zine devoted to failed
>> Web sites. With Bill Lessard, he is the coauthor of NetSlaves (McGraw-Hill)
>> and cofounder of NetSlaves.com. He lives in New York City.
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Net-Slaves-True-Tales-Working/dp/0071352430
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Net-Slaves-2-0-Tales-Surviving/dp/1581152841
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 7:03 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Are you saying Jane existed? Or that anything about that story (beside
>>> an error in an OJReport) is true?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 6:57 PM Michael Bailey <
>>> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jane’s story culminates in her being the one at (name changed in story)
>>>> Time Warner Pathfinder to put the “OJ Guilty” misprint up -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.disobey.com/ghostsites/pathfindermuseum/hello/1322882/1024/pathfinder6-2005.06.20-12.09.56.jpg
>>>>
>>>> That brief error did happen.
>>>>
>>>> Does that prove there was a Winnie? Of course not.
>>>>
>>>> Is Jane’s story redolent with the flavor of dotcom contractors? Imho,
>>>> yes.
>>>> Is BE redolent in a similar way at various places? I think so.
>>>> Does it improve the relishment of the story - yes.
>>>>
>>>> Want a Zima?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 6:05 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I found the Brown reference.  He coined the phrase and concept,
>>>>> but he never elaborated upon what it meant in any practical way.  I t
>>>>> sounded cool, but that’s all it ever was, a cool idea without any real
>>>>> application.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you don’t think Jane’s story or anything about Winnie’s list on
>>>>> Pynchonwiki was real, do you?  What you call early dotcom lore is probably
>>>>> a fiction made up after ATD was published, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 5:56 PM Michael Bailey <
>>>>> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I appreciated the pointer to interesting early dotcom lore - &
>>>>>> possible source material for Pynchon: Jane’s story has the $30 an hour, the
>>>>>> Winnie list, &, seemed like, a couple other odds & ends that made it into
>>>>>> BE - never would’ve found it without trying to prove you wrong, David.
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It may not be as high flown as finding an IG Farben employee manual,
>>>>>> but there’s a little frisson at Jane’s Story as a possible source, isn’t
>>>>>> there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, isn’t the Norman O Brown phrase you referenced the other day
>>>>>> “polymorphous perversity?”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope all your recuperating is going good!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 5:41 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never thought Winnie’s list was anything other than a joke by
>>>>>>> Pynchon.  It’s not like I complained about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The crazy thing is how far someone on the Pynchonwiki went to
>>>>>>> “document” its reality.  But what really made that suspicious was the
>>>>>>> length of Jane’s Story, and, of course it’s non-existence in any trace on
>>>>>>> the web.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 5:33 PM Michael Bailey <
>>>>>>> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BE is a work of fiction so it’s okay to have fictitious references
>>>>>>>> (imho)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It’d be cool if employers thought so too (-;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>