No comment although I have them.

Thu Oct 14 22:46:56 UTC 2021

https://youtu.be/kHue-HaXXzg

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:45 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I don't get these songs.  I have not even listened to them.
>
> How they relate to Pynchon, well I might know if she didn't have all my
> books.
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:38 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I told my ex, because I couldn't stand the incessant texts--oh here is
>> another one--that are mind and soul numbing iterations of sheer
>> obtuse rage, to try contacting me irather in songs.
>>
>> Which she has proceeded in doing...
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:13 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nah, I think I'm more the kidney, too occasionally the spleen.
>>>
>>> Go in peace.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:49 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark, come on, you are the god of plist.
>>>>
>>>> It would not exist without you.
>>>>
>>>> You are a Titan.
>>>>
>>>> You make light in a world of darkness.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 4:14 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not think I am what you say about the plist. He is buried in
>>>>> Milwaukee, with a seat in his name at his favorite movie theater.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just 1) usually respond.    2) like to send some stuff I find that
>>>>> might interest and might lead to discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am away from it for days and weeks at a time. Monroe never was.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry for your turmoil and loss.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:10 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We all know that you are the heart and soul of plist, Mark.  Without
>>>>>> you it would be the nonplist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I sat down to write this, your email came in.  As I am writing it,
>>>>>> there is one from Morrrs.  Which I'll receive after this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The most amazing thing happened.  I left my woman a few days ago..
>>>>>> And in doing so, I told her that I can no longer bare her rage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fair enough.  I was being the cool guy in leaving..  Then I got this
>>>>>> email, from you idiots.  Saying something about Israel.  And it is obvious,
>>>>>> that, something, like rage, fell forth.  I was telling her about her rage,
>>>>>> when then something, emanated.  Perhaps there is something within me.
>>>>>> Maybe we suppress it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The timing of it was exquisite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And everything I say is true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:48 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because it isn't TOTAL. 😇
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me FUCKING SIMPLIFY FOR YOU:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BIDEN ADMIN CLIMATE PROPOSALS FULFILL THE UN GOALS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will add that the admin has a TOTAL, speaking of totalizing, ALL
>>>>>>> OF GOVERNMENT mandate re attacking climate change.
>>>>>>> Worked into diplomacy, all other bills (if they can be), executive
>>>>>>> orders, as has happened.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:52 PM Mach Thomberi <
>>>>>>> machthomberi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One might what.  I didn't quite get the jizz of that mindless
>>>>>>>> schpieel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why can't we change it from the plist to the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TOTAL FUCKING KOHUT LIST.
>>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2021 12:02 PM, "Mark Kohut" <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, the US commitments to effect climate change, have been
>>>>>>>>> called by an
>>>>>>>>> outside organization, policies that match
>>>>>>>>> the recommendations as necessary, that if all countries were to
>>>>>>>>> commit to
>>>>>>>>> and do would meet the goal
>>>>>>>>> of staying under 2 degrees Celsius per the recent MAJOR, scary, UN
>>>>>>>>> Report.....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is, these policies meet the UN Report's recommendations to
>>>>>>>>> achieve the
>>>>>>>>> stated goal. One might think the admin
>>>>>>>>> talked to the UN as that report was being written---the science
>>>>>>>>> compiled
>>>>>>>>> over years, as we know--and met the guidelines. One might.....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 11:17 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >  I don't have that clear a take on some imagined world majority
>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>> > wish I could sincerely agree but at this point I stand with
>>>>>>>>> Greta,  what we
>>>>>>>>> > hear from so called leaders is blah blah, blah, and what we see
>>>>>>>>> is growing
>>>>>>>>> > arms sales , continued growth in C02 emissions, threats  and
>>>>>>>>> violent
>>>>>>>>> > blockades by the US,  mass survellance, publishers being
>>>>>>>>> tortured for
>>>>>>>>> > publishing the same thing as the NY Times,  pipelines and a
>>>>>>>>> revived nuclear
>>>>>>>>> > arms program.  I could go on but what is the point.
>>>>>>>>> >    It’s true that there are many, many people who want change
>>>>>>>>> and they
>>>>>>>>> > gladden my heart as they do yours. They are not yet organized as
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> > effective agent of change though most do what they can. In the
>>>>>>>>> lead up to
>>>>>>>>> > the second Iraq war the world saw the biggest anti-war
>>>>>>>>> demonstration in
>>>>>>>>> > human history and the biggest global demonstration ever, rivaled
>>>>>>>>> only by
>>>>>>>>> > climate crisis activism. It did not stop the war and was barely
>>>>>>>>> covered in
>>>>>>>>> > the US press.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On Oct 14, 2021, at 10:00 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > I will assert as baldly as your assertions that the majority of
>>>>>>>>> the people
>>>>>>>>> > in the Pokey Little Puppy's Whole
>>>>>>>>> > Wide World are acting and imagining outside of this blanket
>>>>>>>>> condemnation:
>>>>>>>>> >  "imagine solutions than are not reliant on war, poisons and
>>>>>>>>> ecological
>>>>>>>>> > rape."
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Many businesses, many countries, with whatever else they are
>>>>>>>>> also doing,
>>>>>>>>> > are acting FINALLY against this 'reliance".
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 9:51 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> The historic creation of Israel is a subject that has already
>>>>>>>>> led to many
>>>>>>>>> >> many books and articles.  I have read quite a few of those
>>>>>>>>> books. What I
>>>>>>>>> >> said is what I said, and I wasn’t trying to ccomplish whatever
>>>>>>>>> you or
>>>>>>>>> >> mathew c think I should have been. But without a doubt the
>>>>>>>>> so-called
>>>>>>>>> >> creation of Israel has involved decades of assult on the
>>>>>>>>> Palestinians who
>>>>>>>>> >> lived there before the Jewish settlers came. It was as much an
>>>>>>>>> act of
>>>>>>>>> >> destruction and theft in my view as an act of creation. In the
>>>>>>>>> same way the
>>>>>>>>> >> “creation” of the US required a destructive assault on
>>>>>>>>> indiginous people.
>>>>>>>>> >> Israel seems to me to follow the biblical paradigm of Zionism
>>>>>>>>> layed out in
>>>>>>>>> >> the legends of Joshua and later David. I think that is clear
>>>>>>>>> enough and
>>>>>>>>> >> quite defensible as a proposition.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>  As far as I can tell most countries are acts of imagination
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> >> violence based on tilling and armies, they are a product of the
>>>>>>>>> paradigm of
>>>>>>>>> >> war . National borders and rules are usually a lot more
>>>>>>>>> arbitrary than
>>>>>>>>> >> natural human self organizing and require leaders imposing
>>>>>>>>> taxes  through
>>>>>>>>> >> violence. Since the advent of mass production and fossil fuels
>>>>>>>>> we have a
>>>>>>>>> >> new paradigm that combines the economic predations of
>>>>>>>>> investment capitalism
>>>>>>>>> >> with the military power or imperial alliances. This is quickly
>>>>>>>>> destroying
>>>>>>>>> >> the biospheric stability of the planet.  Our imaginations could
>>>>>>>>> be put to
>>>>>>>>> >> better use. We are not bound to follow our path of self
>>>>>>>>> destruction by
>>>>>>>>> >> anything other than unwillingness to face the problems  and
>>>>>>>>> imagine
>>>>>>>>> >> solutions than are not reliant on war, poisons and ecological
>>>>>>>>> rape.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > On Oct 14, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > Joseph,
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > Without distinctions, your generalities about all countries
>>>>>>>>> everywhere
>>>>>>>>> >> and when are always correct.
>>>>>>>>> >> > Yet say nothing substantive about the creation of Israel--or
>>>>>>>>> any other
>>>>>>>>> >> country for that matter.
>>>>>>>>> >> > And do little (or nothing) for discussion of all your
>>>>>>>>> Historic evils
>>>>>>>>> >> but show us a nice, beautifully-expressed personal credo--open
>>>>>>>>> to all: "the
>>>>>>>>> >> heart of this holy path is to choose life, to love the great
>>>>>>>>> mystery of
>>>>>>>>> >> being wih all the heart and all the mind and the very kernel of
>>>>>>>>> life we
>>>>>>>>> >> have been given, and to treat others as we wish to be treated.”
>>>>>>>>> >> Guess what. That is not a personal credo, Those are ideas from
>>>>>>>>> Judaism(
>>>>>>>>> >> The Torah and Maimonedes) which I appreciate and try to honor
>>>>>>>>> in my life.
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > Mark
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:21 AM Joseph Tracy <
>>>>>>>>> brook7 at sover.net
>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > Annihilation is a loaded word. It sounds cruel and violent.
>>>>>>>>> Truthfully
>>>>>>>>> >> though, a name or concept or form of government can be
>>>>>>>>> eliminated or
>>>>>>>>> >> replaced without destroying human lives or poisoning the earth.
>>>>>>>>> Nations and
>>>>>>>>> >> religions have changed and died before with little or even
>>>>>>>>> benign
>>>>>>>>> >> consequences. And those nations  that survived and rose to
>>>>>>>>> become “great
>>>>>>>>> >> powers" have a pretty shitty track record to justify
>>>>>>>>> themselves. Imagine
>>>>>>>>> >> all the people living life in peace.
>>>>>>>>> >> > I don’t know exactly what Thomberi ( sounds a made up name) is
>>>>>>>>> >> intending, whether tongue in cheek or weirdly sincere, but I
>>>>>>>>> think matthew
>>>>>>>>> >> c is wildly sentimentalizing how Israel came into being. As to
>>>>>>>>> what is to
>>>>>>>>> >> be done. It is a question for all of us, not just Israel.
>>>>>>>>> Settler
>>>>>>>>> >> colonialism and its cruelties are embedded in most of the
>>>>>>>>> world. Western
>>>>>>>>> >> civilization as configured has desertified vast parts of the
>>>>>>>>> globe, moved
>>>>>>>>> >> sane indiginous cultures into bantustans and is rapidly
>>>>>>>>> destroying the
>>>>>>>>> >> diverse species upon which life as we know it exists, rapidly
>>>>>>>>> moving us
>>>>>>>>> >> toward waves of mass destruction . As for me, yes i really am
>>>>>>>>> ready to hand
>>>>>>>>> >> over my land and the very concept of property to the tribal
>>>>>>>>> peoples of
>>>>>>>>> >> north america. Would they want this mess, our mini-flags, banks
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> >> fracking machines? I don’t know, but I could not be more
>>>>>>>>> serious about my
>>>>>>>>> >> acre of workspace , fruit trees, asparagus, maple trees, and
>>>>>>>>> stone walls.
>>>>>>>>> >> My whole life is about the effort to move myself and others
>>>>>>>>> toward an
>>>>>>>>> >> ecologically sustainable life, and the biggest impediment to
>>>>>>>>> change is the
>>>>>>>>> >> settler colonialist warfare that continues from the ancient to
>>>>>>>>> the modern
>>>>>>>>> >> world, that turns from warlordism to nationalism  to imperial
>>>>>>>>> warfare. What
>>>>>>>>> >> Israel and the US and China and Russia and Brazil and Canada
>>>>>>>>> and so many
>>>>>>>>> >> rapacious military dictatorships are expressing in this shared
>>>>>>>>> planet  is
>>>>>>>>> >> varying forms of  sociopathic madness organized by  self
>>>>>>>>> destructive
>>>>>>>>> >> dreams, egomania, and imaginary polities that have ravaged our
>>>>>>>>> common sense
>>>>>>>>> >> as animals, our friendliness as neighbors, our ability to
>>>>>>>>> choose life above
>>>>>>>>> >> what they have too offer. And what do they have to offer as
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> >> civilization crumbles? Comfortable places to watch the world
>>>>>>>>> burn, endless
>>>>>>>>> >> entertaining air conditioned shitpiles, debt,  fat people
>>>>>>>>> eating big juicy
>>>>>>>>> >> hamburgers and an all too violent and real global annihilation,
>>>>>>>>> James Bond
>>>>>>>>> >> may or may not have lost his dick, but he stil has a license to
>>>>>>>>> kill.
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >  Zionism is the same disease as the master race, manifest
>>>>>>>>> destiny,
>>>>>>>>> >> salafism, pax romana, capitalism, militarism. Its origins can
>>>>>>>>> be read by
>>>>>>>>> >> anyone. Joshua crosses into “ the promised land” to kill the
>>>>>>>>> sinful
>>>>>>>>> >> Canaanites or make them into slaves to the chosen
>>>>>>>>> people.”Blessed is he who
>>>>>>>>> >> dashes thy little ones against a stone”. This fable has become
>>>>>>>>> the script
>>>>>>>>> >> for modern day Israel, just as some version of this script has
>>>>>>>>> written so
>>>>>>>>> >> much human history. It will script global suicide if we let it.
>>>>>>>>> If we
>>>>>>>>> >> cannot prevent it.
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > Zionism was never the remarkable part of Judaism, the heart
>>>>>>>>> of this
>>>>>>>>> >> holy path is to choose life, to love the great mystery of being
>>>>>>>>> wih all the
>>>>>>>>> >> heart and all the mind and the very kernel of life we have been
>>>>>>>>> given, and
>>>>>>>>> >> to treat others as we wish to be treated.
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Oct 13, 2021, at 4:14 PM, matthew cissell <
>>>>>>>>> mccissell at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:mccissell at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > > Mach,
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > > So let me see. You seem to propose the annihilation of
>>>>>>>>> Israel, a
>>>>>>>>> >> country
>>>>>>>>> >> > > created whole cloth from ideas, dreams, stories and more by
>>>>>>>>> carving
>>>>>>>>> >> out a
>>>>>>>>> >> > > space for that community that had formed a nation but
>>>>>>>>> lacked a state.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > > Ok. Two things (that I'll say) occur to me: What do you
>>>>>>>>> propose for
>>>>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>>>>> >> > > people? Do you have some... solution for them as well?
>>>>>>>>> Would it be
>>>>>>>>> >> the same
>>>>>>>>> >> > > for Arabic and Jewish citizens? What would it entail?
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > > Next: If you (and others that share your view) are the
>>>>>>>>> descendent of
>>>>>>>>> >> > > Europeans living in the Americas (or some other previously
>>>>>>>>> >> > > colonized place), I suppose you are also ready to 'undo'
>>>>>>>>> your county
>>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>>> >> > > hand over your land to the indigenous communities. Or are
>>>>>>>>> you writing
>>>>>>>>> >> from
>>>>>>>>> >> > > somewhere else, in which case we might talk about that
>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > > Criticizing the trespasses of any country or government is
>>>>>>>>> one thing,
>>>>>>>>> >> but
>>>>>>>>> >> > > calling for its abolition is something else. The actions of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> >> Israeli
>>>>>>>>> >> > > government have often been reprehensible or even criminal,
>>>>>>>>> but that
>>>>>>>>> >> does
>>>>>>>>> >> > > not justify your language, which would certainly find
>>>>>>>>> applause and
>>>>>>>>> >> echoes
>>>>>>>>> >> > > in a certain rising current in not only US political
>>>>>>>>> discourse but
>>>>>>>>> >> more
>>>>>>>>> >> > > widely.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > > I'm responding not because I think your mind is likely to
>>>>>>>>> be changed
>>>>>>>>> >> but
>>>>>>>>> >> > > because I want you and others to know that in this open
>>>>>>>>> forum you
>>>>>>>>> >> will find
>>>>>>>>> >> > > voices that do not apathetically ignore your statements.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > > Ne Obliviscaris
>>>>>>>>> >> > > Matthew Cissell
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 4:33 PM Mach Thomberi <
>>>>>>>>> machthomberi at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:machthomberi at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>> >> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> No we wouldn't want that would we.  Deprive Israel water
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> >> medicine.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> What would be marvelous.  Would be removing Israel from
>>>>>>>>> the map.
>>>>>>>>> >> Cut it
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> out and dispense it into the ether.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Then do likewise of our collective memory of Israel.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Oct 13, 2021 9:23 AM, "Joseph Tracy" <brook7 at sover.net
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:
>>>>>>>>> >> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> I would not go so far as to cut Israelis off from
>>>>>>>>> medicine or clean
>>>>>>>>> >> water
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> as they have done to Gaza, but a cultural boycott is
>>>>>>>>> potentially a
>>>>>>>>> >> way to
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> bring the debate into a more public sphere. We need
>>>>>>>>> equally to
>>>>>>>>> >> confront
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> what so many in the western press and politics  have done
>>>>>>>>> on this
>>>>>>>>> >> issue.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> They  have supported  the insane idea that anyone who
>>>>>>>>> publicly
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> criticizes
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> Israel’s abuse of Palestinians is doing so out of
>>>>>>>>> anti-semitism.
>>>>>>>>> >> They
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> are
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> labeled  anti-semitic even if they are Jews whose parents
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> >> relatives
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> survived or died  in Nazi concentration camps.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>  Sally Rooney said she would be honored to have her book
>>>>>>>>> translated
>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> Hebrew but will not work with a publisher who does not
>>>>>>>>> distance
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> themselves
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> from Israel’s aparteid treatment of Palestinians.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 3:44 PM, David Morris <
>>>>>>>>> fqmorris at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> Why no comment?  This is a place for opinion.  As for
>>>>>>>>> me, I say
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Bravo!  I
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> think Israel deserves full apartheid treatment right
>>>>>>>>> now.  And too
>>>>>>>>> >> many
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> people are afraid to say so.   There!  I said it.
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 3:25 PM Mark Kohut <
>>>>>>>>> mark.kohut at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://forward.com/opinion/476513/why-wont-sally-rooney- <
>>>>>>>>> >> https://forward.com/opinion/476513/why-wont-sally-rooney->
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> allow-her-latest-novel-to-be-translated-into-hebrew/
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> --
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> --
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> --
>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>> >> > > --
>>>>>>>>> >> > > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > --
>>>>>>>>> >> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>>> >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>