No comment although I have them.

Thu Oct 14 22:52:36 UTC 2021

https://youtu.be/9TQKyDD9Yig

https://youtu.be/cw_L8HdoYgo

https://youtu.be/OCyL6pa_L4M

https://youtu.be/YpJAmlnBxoA

https://youtu.be/PmAglGdibYs

https://youtu.be/VkKxmnrRVHo

https://youtu.be/4XaKR_svmMM

https://youtu.be/CevxZvSJLk8

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:48 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> https://youtu.be/8N2k-gv6xNE
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> https://youtu.be/mqFLXayD6e8
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> https://youtu.be/dgjTO5eAbZY
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> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:46 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> https://youtu.be/kHue-HaXXzg
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>>
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:45 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't get these songs.  I have not even listened to them.
>>>
>>> How they relate to Pynchon, well I might know if she didn't have all my
>>> books.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:38 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I told my ex, because I couldn't stand the incessant texts--oh here is
>>>> another one--that are mind and soul numbing iterations of sheer
>>>> obtuse rage, to try contacting me irather in songs.
>>>>
>>>> Which she has proceeded in doing...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:13 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nah, I think I'm more the kidney, too occasionally the spleen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go in peace.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:49 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark, come on, you are the god of plist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would not exist without you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are a Titan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You make light in a world of darkness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 4:14 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not think I am what you say about the plist. He is buried in
>>>>>>> Milwaukee, with a seat in his name at his favorite movie theater.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just 1) usually respond.    2) like to send some stuff I find that
>>>>>>> might interest and might lead to discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am away from it for days and weeks at a time. Monroe never was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sorry for your turmoil and loss.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:10 PM Mach Thomberi <
>>>>>>> machthomberi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We all know that you are the heart and soul of plist, Mark.
>>>>>>>> Without you it would be the nonplist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I sat down to write this, your email came in.  As I am writing
>>>>>>>> it, there is one from Morrrs.  Which I'll receive after this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The most amazing thing happened.  I left my woman a few days ago..
>>>>>>>> And in doing so, I told her that I can no longer bare her rage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fair enough.  I was being the cool guy in leaving..  Then I got
>>>>>>>> this email, from you idiots.  Saying something about Israel.  And it is
>>>>>>>> obvious, that, something, like rage, fell forth.  I was telling her about
>>>>>>>> her rage, when then something, emanated.  Perhaps there is something within
>>>>>>>> me.  Maybe we suppress it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The timing of it was exquisite.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And everything I say is true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:48 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because it isn't TOTAL. 😇
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me FUCKING SIMPLIFY FOR YOU:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BIDEN ADMIN CLIMATE PROPOSALS FULFILL THE UN GOALS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will add that the admin has a TOTAL, speaking of totalizing, ALL
>>>>>>>>> OF GOVERNMENT mandate re attacking climate change.
>>>>>>>>> Worked into diplomacy, all other bills (if they can be), executive
>>>>>>>>> orders, as has happened.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:52 PM Mach Thomberi <
>>>>>>>>> machthomberi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One might what.  I didn't quite get the jizz of that mindless
>>>>>>>>>> schpieel.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why can't we change it from the plist to the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TOTAL FUCKING KOHUT LIST.
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2021 12:02 PM, "Mark Kohut" <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, the US commitments to effect climate change, have been
>>>>>>>>>>> called by an
>>>>>>>>>>> outside organization, policies that match
>>>>>>>>>>> the recommendations as necessary, that if all countries were to
>>>>>>>>>>> commit to
>>>>>>>>>>> and do would meet the goal
>>>>>>>>>>> of staying under 2 degrees Celsius per the recent MAJOR, scary,
>>>>>>>>>>> UN
>>>>>>>>>>> Report.....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is, these policies meet the UN Report's recommendations to
>>>>>>>>>>> achieve the
>>>>>>>>>>> stated goal. One might think the admin
>>>>>>>>>>> talked to the UN as that report was being written---the science
>>>>>>>>>>> compiled
>>>>>>>>>>> over years, as we know--and met the guidelines. One might.....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 11:17 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >  I don't have that clear a take on some imagined world
>>>>>>>>>>> majority  and I
>>>>>>>>>>> > wish I could sincerely agree but at this point I stand with
>>>>>>>>>>> Greta,  what we
>>>>>>>>>>> > hear from so called leaders is blah blah, blah, and what we
>>>>>>>>>>> see is growing
>>>>>>>>>>> > arms sales , continued growth in C02 emissions, threats  and
>>>>>>>>>>> violent
>>>>>>>>>>> > blockades by the US,  mass survellance, publishers being
>>>>>>>>>>> tortured for
>>>>>>>>>>> > publishing the same thing as the NY Times,  pipelines and a
>>>>>>>>>>> revived nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>> > arms program.  I could go on but what is the point.
>>>>>>>>>>> >    It’s true that there are many, many people who want change
>>>>>>>>>>> and they
>>>>>>>>>>> > gladden my heart as they do yours. They are not yet organized
>>>>>>>>>>> as an
>>>>>>>>>>> > effective agent of change though most do what they can. In the
>>>>>>>>>>> lead up to
>>>>>>>>>>> > the second Iraq war the world saw the biggest anti-war
>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration in
>>>>>>>>>>> > human history and the biggest global demonstration ever,
>>>>>>>>>>> rivaled only by
>>>>>>>>>>> > climate crisis activism. It did not stop the war and was
>>>>>>>>>>> barely covered in
>>>>>>>>>>> > the US press.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Oct 14, 2021, at 10:00 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > I will assert as baldly as your assertions that the majority
>>>>>>>>>>> of the people
>>>>>>>>>>> > in the Pokey Little Puppy's Whole
>>>>>>>>>>> > Wide World are acting and imagining outside of this blanket
>>>>>>>>>>> condemnation:
>>>>>>>>>>> >  "imagine solutions than are not reliant on war, poisons and
>>>>>>>>>>> ecological
>>>>>>>>>>> > rape."
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Many businesses, many countries, with whatever else they are
>>>>>>>>>>> also doing,
>>>>>>>>>>> > are acting FINALLY against this 'reliance".
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 9:51 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> The historic creation of Israel is a subject that has already
>>>>>>>>>>> led to many
>>>>>>>>>>> >> many books and articles.  I have read quite a few of those
>>>>>>>>>>> books. What I
>>>>>>>>>>> >> said is what I said, and I wasn’t trying to ccomplish
>>>>>>>>>>> whatever you or
>>>>>>>>>>> >> mathew c think I should have been. But without a doubt the
>>>>>>>>>>> so-called
>>>>>>>>>>> >> creation of Israel has involved decades of assult on the
>>>>>>>>>>> Palestinians who
>>>>>>>>>>> >> lived there before the Jewish settlers came. It was as much
>>>>>>>>>>> an act of
>>>>>>>>>>> >> destruction and theft in my view as an act of creation. In
>>>>>>>>>>> the same way the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> “creation” of the US required a destructive assault on
>>>>>>>>>>> indiginous people.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Israel seems to me to follow the biblical paradigm of Zionism
>>>>>>>>>>> layed out in
>>>>>>>>>>> >> the legends of Joshua and later David. I think that is clear
>>>>>>>>>>> enough and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> quite defensible as a proposition.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>  As far as I can tell most countries are acts of imagination
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> violence based on tilling and armies, they are a product of
>>>>>>>>>>> the paradigm of
>>>>>>>>>>> >> war . National borders and rules are usually a lot more
>>>>>>>>>>> arbitrary than
>>>>>>>>>>> >> natural human self organizing and require leaders imposing
>>>>>>>>>>> taxes  through
>>>>>>>>>>> >> violence. Since the advent of mass production and fossil
>>>>>>>>>>> fuels we have a
>>>>>>>>>>> >> new paradigm that combines the economic predations of
>>>>>>>>>>> investment capitalism
>>>>>>>>>>> >> with the military power or imperial alliances. This is
>>>>>>>>>>> quickly destroying
>>>>>>>>>>> >> the biospheric stability of the planet.  Our imaginations
>>>>>>>>>>> could be put to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> better use. We are not bound to follow our path of self
>>>>>>>>>>> destruction by
>>>>>>>>>>> >> anything other than unwillingness to face the problems  and
>>>>>>>>>>> imagine
>>>>>>>>>>> >> solutions than are not reliant on war, poisons and ecological
>>>>>>>>>>> rape.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Oct 14, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Mark Kohut <
>>>>>>>>>>> mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Joseph,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Without distinctions, your generalities about all countries
>>>>>>>>>>> everywhere
>>>>>>>>>>> >> and when are always correct.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Yet say nothing substantive about the creation of
>>>>>>>>>>> Israel--or any other
>>>>>>>>>>> >> country for that matter.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > And do little (or nothing) for discussion of all your
>>>>>>>>>>> Historic evils
>>>>>>>>>>> >> but show us a nice, beautifully-expressed personal
>>>>>>>>>>> credo--open to all: "the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> heart of this holy path is to choose life, to love the great
>>>>>>>>>>> mystery of
>>>>>>>>>>> >> being wih all the heart and all the mind and the very kernel
>>>>>>>>>>> of life we
>>>>>>>>>>> >> have been given, and to treat others as we wish to be
>>>>>>>>>>> treated.”
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Guess what. That is not a personal credo, Those are ideas
>>>>>>>>>>> from Judaism(
>>>>>>>>>>> >> The Torah and Maimonedes) which I appreciate and try to honor
>>>>>>>>>>> in my life.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Mark
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:21 AM Joseph Tracy <
>>>>>>>>>>> brook7 at sover.net
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Annihilation is a loaded word. It sounds cruel and violent.
>>>>>>>>>>> Truthfully
>>>>>>>>>>> >> though, a name or concept or form of government can be
>>>>>>>>>>> eliminated or
>>>>>>>>>>> >> replaced without destroying human lives or poisoning the
>>>>>>>>>>> earth. Nations and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> religions have changed and died before with little or even
>>>>>>>>>>> benign
>>>>>>>>>>> >> consequences. And those nations  that survived and rose to
>>>>>>>>>>> become “great
>>>>>>>>>>> >> powers" have a pretty shitty track record to justify
>>>>>>>>>>> themselves. Imagine
>>>>>>>>>>> >> all the people living life in peace.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > I don’t know exactly what Thomberi ( sounds a made up name)
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> >> intending, whether tongue in cheek or weirdly sincere, but I
>>>>>>>>>>> think matthew
>>>>>>>>>>> >> c is wildly sentimentalizing how Israel came into being. As
>>>>>>>>>>> to what is to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> be done. It is a question for all of us, not just Israel.
>>>>>>>>>>> Settler
>>>>>>>>>>> >> colonialism and its cruelties are embedded in most of the
>>>>>>>>>>> world. Western
>>>>>>>>>>> >> civilization as configured has desertified vast parts of the
>>>>>>>>>>> globe, moved
>>>>>>>>>>> >> sane indiginous cultures into bantustans and is rapidly
>>>>>>>>>>> destroying the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> diverse species upon which life as we know it exists, rapidly
>>>>>>>>>>> moving us
>>>>>>>>>>> >> toward waves of mass destruction . As for me, yes i really am
>>>>>>>>>>> ready to hand
>>>>>>>>>>> >> over my land and the very concept of property to the tribal
>>>>>>>>>>> peoples of
>>>>>>>>>>> >> north america. Would they want this mess, our mini-flags,
>>>>>>>>>>> banks and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> fracking machines? I don’t know, but I could not be more
>>>>>>>>>>> serious about my
>>>>>>>>>>> >> acre of workspace , fruit trees, asparagus, maple trees, and
>>>>>>>>>>> stone walls.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> My whole life is about the effort to move myself and others
>>>>>>>>>>> toward an
>>>>>>>>>>> >> ecologically sustainable life, and the biggest impediment to
>>>>>>>>>>> change is the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> settler colonialist warfare that continues from the ancient
>>>>>>>>>>> to the modern
>>>>>>>>>>> >> world, that turns from warlordism to nationalism  to imperial
>>>>>>>>>>> warfare. What
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Israel and the US and China and Russia and Brazil and Canada
>>>>>>>>>>> and so many
>>>>>>>>>>> >> rapacious military dictatorships are expressing in this
>>>>>>>>>>> shared planet  is
>>>>>>>>>>> >> varying forms of  sociopathic madness organized by  self
>>>>>>>>>>> destructive
>>>>>>>>>>> >> dreams, egomania, and imaginary polities that have ravaged
>>>>>>>>>>> our common sense
>>>>>>>>>>> >> as animals, our friendliness as neighbors, our ability to
>>>>>>>>>>> choose life above
>>>>>>>>>>> >> what they have too offer. And what do they have to offer as
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> >> civilization crumbles? Comfortable places to watch the world
>>>>>>>>>>> burn, endless
>>>>>>>>>>> >> entertaining air conditioned shitpiles, debt,  fat people
>>>>>>>>>>> eating big juicy
>>>>>>>>>>> >> hamburgers and an all too violent and real global
>>>>>>>>>>> annihilation, James Bond
>>>>>>>>>>> >> may or may not have lost his dick, but he stil has a license
>>>>>>>>>>> to kill.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >  Zionism is the same disease as the master race, manifest
>>>>>>>>>>> destiny,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> salafism, pax romana, capitalism, militarism. Its origins can
>>>>>>>>>>> be read by
>>>>>>>>>>> >> anyone. Joshua crosses into “ the promised land” to kill the
>>>>>>>>>>> sinful
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Canaanites or make them into slaves to the chosen
>>>>>>>>>>> people.”Blessed is he who
>>>>>>>>>>> >> dashes thy little ones against a stone”. This fable has
>>>>>>>>>>> become the script
>>>>>>>>>>> >> for modern day Israel, just as some version of this script
>>>>>>>>>>> has written so
>>>>>>>>>>> >> much human history. It will script global suicide if we let
>>>>>>>>>>> it. If we
>>>>>>>>>>> >> cannot prevent it.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Zionism was never the remarkable part of Judaism, the heart
>>>>>>>>>>> of this
>>>>>>>>>>> >> holy path is to choose life, to love the great mystery of
>>>>>>>>>>> being wih all the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> heart and all the mind and the very kernel of life we have
>>>>>>>>>>> been given, and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> to treat others as we wish to be treated.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Oct 13, 2021, at 4:14 PM, matthew cissell <
>>>>>>>>>>> mccissell at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:mccissell at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Mach,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > So let me see. You seem to propose the annihilation of
>>>>>>>>>>> Israel, a
>>>>>>>>>>> >> country
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > created whole cloth from ideas, dreams, stories and more
>>>>>>>>>>> by carving
>>>>>>>>>>> >> out a
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > space for that community that had formed a nation but
>>>>>>>>>>> lacked a state.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Ok. Two things (that I'll say) occur to me: What do you
>>>>>>>>>>> propose for
>>>>>>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > people? Do you have some... solution for them as well?
>>>>>>>>>>> Would it be
>>>>>>>>>>> >> the same
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > for Arabic and Jewish citizens? What would it entail?
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Next: If you (and others that share your view) are the
>>>>>>>>>>> descendent of
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Europeans living in the Americas (or some other previously
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > colonized place), I suppose you are also ready to 'undo'
>>>>>>>>>>> your county
>>>>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > hand over your land to the indigenous communities. Or are
>>>>>>>>>>> you writing
>>>>>>>>>>> >> from
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > somewhere else, in which case we might talk about that
>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Criticizing the trespasses of any country or government
>>>>>>>>>>> is one thing,
>>>>>>>>>>> >> but
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > calling for its abolition is something else. The actions
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Israeli
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > government have often been reprehensible or even
>>>>>>>>>>> criminal, but that
>>>>>>>>>>> >> does
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > not justify your language, which would certainly find
>>>>>>>>>>> applause and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> echoes
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > in a certain rising current in not only US political
>>>>>>>>>>> discourse but
>>>>>>>>>>> >> more
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > widely.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > I'm responding not because I think your mind is likely to
>>>>>>>>>>> be changed
>>>>>>>>>>> >> but
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > because I want you and others to know that in this open
>>>>>>>>>>> forum you
>>>>>>>>>>> >> will find
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > voices that do not apathetically ignore your statements.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Ne Obliviscaris
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Matthew Cissell
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 4:33 PM Mach Thomberi <
>>>>>>>>>>> machthomberi at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:machthomberi at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> No we wouldn't want that would we.  Deprive Israel water
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> medicine.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> What would be marvelous.  Would be removing Israel from
>>>>>>>>>>> the map.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Cut it
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> out and dispense it into the ether.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Then do likewise of our collective memory of Israel.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Oct 13, 2021 9:23 AM, "Joseph Tracy" <
>>>>>>>>>>> brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> I would not go so far as to cut Israelis off from
>>>>>>>>>>> medicine or clean
>>>>>>>>>>> >> water
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> as they have done to Gaza, but a cultural boycott is
>>>>>>>>>>> potentially a
>>>>>>>>>>> >> way to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> bring the debate into a more public sphere. We need
>>>>>>>>>>> equally to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> confront
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> what so many in the western press and politics  have
>>>>>>>>>>> done on this
>>>>>>>>>>> >> issue.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> They  have supported  the insane idea that anyone who
>>>>>>>>>>> publicly
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> criticizes
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> Israel’s abuse of Palestinians is doing so out of
>>>>>>>>>>> anti-semitism.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> They
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> are
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> labeled  anti-semitic even if they are Jews whose
>>>>>>>>>>> parents and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> relatives
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> survived or died  in Nazi concentration camps.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>  Sally Rooney said she would be honored to have her
>>>>>>>>>>> book translated
>>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> Hebrew but will not work with a publisher who does not
>>>>>>>>>>> distance
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> themselves
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> from Israel’s aparteid treatment of Palestinians.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 3:44 PM, David Morris <
>>>>>>>>>>> fqmorris at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> Why no comment?  This is a place for opinion.  As for
>>>>>>>>>>> me, I say
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Bravo!  I
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> think Israel deserves full apartheid treatment right
>>>>>>>>>>> now.  And too
>>>>>>>>>>> >> many
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> people are afraid to say so.   There!  I said it.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 3:25 PM Mark Kohut <
>>>>>>>>>>> mark.kohut at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://forward.com/opinion/476513/why-wont-sally-rooney- <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://forward.com/opinion/476513/why-wont-sally-rooney->
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> allow-her-latest-novel-to-be-translated-into-hebrew/
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>> Pynchon-L:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> Pynchon-L:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > --
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > --
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>