No comment although I have them.
Mach Thomberi
machthomberi at gmail.com
Fri Oct 15 00:08:05 UTC 2021
That is awesome. Thank you David.
You too are the god of this list.
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:28 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the playlist. I’ve been totally removed from almost all new
> music these last few years. So an injection like this is good.
>
> But now, after listening to the first two songs, I catch your gist. About
> six years ago I had a very bad break up after 30 years married. She was
> harsh beyond words, and tried to literally destroy my life. I only made it
> through with the help of my closest family and a few friends. This was the
> song I most remember from that time:
>
> https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCFC9LamNMmLioW643VZ40OA
>
> Gotye - Somebody That I Used To Know (feat. Kimbra) [Official Music Video]
>
> David Morris
>
> Good Luck
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:52 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/9TQKyDD9Yig
>
>
> <https://youtu.be/9TQKyDD9Yig>
>
> Mabel: Smart and snappy pop. Words right to the point. I like it.
>
> https://youtu.be/cw_L8HdoYgo
>>
>> https://youtu.be/OCyL6pa_L4M
>>
>> https://youtu.be/YpJAmlnBxoA
>>
>> https://youtu.be/PmAglGdibYs
>>
>> https://youtu.be/VkKxmnrRVHo
>>
>> https://youtu.be/4XaKR_svmMM
>>
>> https://youtu.be/CevxZvSJLk8
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:48 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > https://youtu.be/8N2k-gv6xNE
>> >
>> > https://youtu.be/mqFLXayD6e8
>> >
>> > https://youtu.be/dgjTO5eAbZY
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:46 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> https://youtu.be/kHue-HaXXzg
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:45 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I don't get these songs. I have not even listened to them.
>> >>>
>> >>> How they relate to Pynchon, well I might know if she didn't have all
>> my
>> >>> books.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:38 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com
>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I told my ex, because I couldn't stand the incessant texts--oh here
>> is
>> >>>> another one--that are mind and soul numbing iterations of sheer
>> >>>> obtuse rage, to try contacting me irather in songs.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Which she has proceeded in doing...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:13 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Nah, I think I'm more the kidney, too occasionally the spleen.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Go in peace.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:49 PM Mach Thomberi <
>> machthomberi at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mark, come on, you are the god of plist.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> It would not exist without you.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> You are a Titan.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> You make light in a world of darkness.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 4:14 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Take care.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I do not think I am what you say about the plist. He is buried in
>> >>>>>>> Milwaukee, with a seat in his name at his favorite movie theater.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I just 1) usually respond. 2) like to send some stuff I find
>> that
>> >>>>>>> might interest and might lead to discussion.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I am away from it for days and weeks at a time. Monroe never was.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I'm sorry for your turmoil and loss.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Mark
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:10 PM Mach Thomberi <
>> >>>>>>> machthomberi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> We all know that you are the heart and soul of plist, Mark.
>> >>>>>>>> Without you it would be the nonplist.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> As I sat down to write this, your email came in. As I am writing
>> >>>>>>>> it, there is one from Morrrs. Which I'll receive after this.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> The most amazing thing happened. I left my woman a few days
>> ago..
>> >>>>>>>> And in doing so, I told her that I can no longer bare her rage.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Fair enough. I was being the cool guy in leaving.. Then I got
>> >>>>>>>> this email, from you idiots. Saying something about Israel.
>> And it is
>> >>>>>>>> obvious, that, something, like rage, fell forth. I was telling
>> her about
>> >>>>>>>> her rage, when then something, emanated. Perhaps there is
>> something within
>> >>>>>>>> me. Maybe we suppress it.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> The timing of it was exquisite.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> And everything I say is true.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:48 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
>> >
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Because it isn't TOTAL. 😇
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Let me FUCKING SIMPLIFY FOR YOU:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> BIDEN ADMIN CLIMATE PROPOSALS FULFILL THE UN GOALS.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I will add that the admin has a TOTAL, speaking of totalizing,
>> ALL
>> >>>>>>>>> OF GOVERNMENT mandate re attacking climate change.
>> >>>>>>>>> Worked into diplomacy, all other bills (if they can be),
>> executive
>> >>>>>>>>> orders, as has happened.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:52 PM Mach Thomberi <
>> >>>>>>>>> machthomberi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> One might what. I didn't quite get the jizz of that mindless
>> >>>>>>>>>> schpieel.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Why can't we change it from the plist to the
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> TOTAL FUCKING KOHUT LIST.
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2021 12:02 PM, "Mark Kohut" <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also, the US commitments to effect climate change, have been
>> >>>>>>>>>>> called by an
>> >>>>>>>>>>> outside organization, policies that match
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the recommendations as necessary, that if all countries were
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> commit to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and do would meet the goal
>> >>>>>>>>>>> of staying under 2 degrees Celsius per the recent MAJOR,
>> scary,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> UN
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Report.....
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> That is, these policies meet the UN Report's recommendations
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> achieve the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> stated goal. One might think the admin
>> >>>>>>>>>>> talked to the UN as that report was being written---the
>> science
>> >>>>>>>>>>> compiled
>> >>>>>>>>>>> over years, as we know--and met the guidelines. One might.....
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 11:17 AM Joseph Tracy <
>> brook7 at sover.net>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > I don't have that clear a take on some imagined world
>> >>>>>>>>>>> majority and I
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > wish I could sincerely agree but at this point I stand with
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Greta, what we
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > hear from so called leaders is blah blah, blah, and what we
>> >>>>>>>>>>> see is growing
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > arms sales , continued growth in C02 emissions, threats and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> violent
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > blockades by the US, mass survellance, publishers being
>> >>>>>>>>>>> tortured for
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > publishing the same thing as the NY Times, pipelines and a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> revived nuclear
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > arms program. I could go on but what is the point.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > It’s true that there are many, many people who want
>> change
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and they
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > gladden my heart as they do yours. They are not yet
>> organized
>> >>>>>>>>>>> as an
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > effective agent of change though most do what they can. In
>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> lead up to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > the second Iraq war the world saw the biggest anti-war
>> >>>>>>>>>>> demonstration in
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > human history and the biggest global demonstration ever,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> rivaled only by
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > climate crisis activism. It did not stop the war and was
>> >>>>>>>>>>> barely covered in
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > the US press.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > On Oct 14, 2021, at 10:00 AM, Mark Kohut <
>> mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > I will assert as baldly as your assertions that the majority
>> >>>>>>>>>>> of the people
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > in the Pokey Little Puppy's Whole
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > Wide World are acting and imagining outside of this blanket
>> >>>>>>>>>>> condemnation:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > "imagine solutions than are not reliant on war, poisons and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ecological
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > rape."
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > Many businesses, many countries, with whatever else they are
>> >>>>>>>>>>> also doing,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > are acting FINALLY against this 'reliance".
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 9:51 AM Joseph Tracy <
>> brook7 at sover.net>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> The historic creation of Israel is a subject that has
>> already
>> >>>>>>>>>>> led to many
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> many books and articles. I have read quite a few of those
>> >>>>>>>>>>> books. What I
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> said is what I said, and I wasn’t trying to ccomplish
>> >>>>>>>>>>> whatever you or
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> mathew c think I should have been. But without a doubt the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> so-called
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> creation of Israel has involved decades of assult on the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Palestinians who
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> lived there before the Jewish settlers came. It was as much
>> >>>>>>>>>>> an act of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> destruction and theft in my view as an act of creation. In
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the same way the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> “creation” of the US required a destructive assault on
>> >>>>>>>>>>> indiginous people.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Israel seems to me to follow the biblical paradigm of
>> Zionism
>> >>>>>>>>>>> layed out in
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> the legends of Joshua and later David. I think that is
>> clear
>> >>>>>>>>>>> enough and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> quite defensible as a proposition.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> As far as I can tell most countries are acts of
>> imagination
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> violence based on tilling and armies, they are a product of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the paradigm of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> war . National borders and rules are usually a lot more
>> >>>>>>>>>>> arbitrary than
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> natural human self organizing and require leaders imposing
>> >>>>>>>>>>> taxes through
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> violence. Since the advent of mass production and fossil
>> >>>>>>>>>>> fuels we have a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> new paradigm that combines the economic predations of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> investment capitalism
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with the military power or imperial alliances. This is
>> >>>>>>>>>>> quickly destroying
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> the biospheric stability of the planet. Our imaginations
>> >>>>>>>>>>> could be put to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> better use. We are not bound to follow our path of self
>> >>>>>>>>>>> destruction by
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> anything other than unwillingness to face the problems and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> imagine
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> solutions than are not reliant on war, poisons and
>> ecological
>> >>>>>>>>>>> rape.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Oct 14, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Mark Kohut <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Joseph,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Without distinctions, your generalities about all
>> countries
>> >>>>>>>>>>> everywhere
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> and when are always correct.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Yet say nothing substantive about the creation of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Israel--or any other
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> country for that matter.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > And do little (or nothing) for discussion of all your
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Historic evils
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> but show us a nice, beautifully-expressed personal
>> >>>>>>>>>>> credo--open to all: "the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> heart of this holy path is to choose life, to love the
>> great
>> >>>>>>>>>>> mystery of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> being wih all the heart and all the mind and the very
>> kernel
>> >>>>>>>>>>> of life we
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> have been given, and to treat others as we wish to be
>> >>>>>>>>>>> treated.”
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Guess what. That is not a personal credo, Those are ideas
>> >>>>>>>>>>> from Judaism(
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> The Torah and Maimonedes) which I appreciate and try to
>> honor
>> >>>>>>>>>>> in my life.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Mark
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:21 AM Joseph Tracy <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> brook7 at sover.net
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Annihilation is a loaded word. It sounds cruel and
>> violent.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Truthfully
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> though, a name or concept or form of government can be
>> >>>>>>>>>>> eliminated or
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> replaced without destroying human lives or poisoning the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> earth. Nations and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> religions have changed and died before with little or even
>> >>>>>>>>>>> benign
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> consequences. And those nations that survived and rose to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> become “great
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> powers" have a pretty shitty track record to justify
>> >>>>>>>>>>> themselves. Imagine
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> all the people living life in peace.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I don’t know exactly what Thomberi ( sounds a made up
>> name)
>> >>>>>>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> intending, whether tongue in cheek or weirdly sincere, but
>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>>> think matthew
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> c is wildly sentimentalizing how Israel came into being. As
>> >>>>>>>>>>> to what is to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> be done. It is a question for all of us, not just Israel.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Settler
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> colonialism and its cruelties are embedded in most of the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> world. Western
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> civilization as configured has desertified vast parts of
>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> globe, moved
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> sane indiginous cultures into bantustans and is rapidly
>> >>>>>>>>>>> destroying the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> diverse species upon which life as we know it exists,
>> rapidly
>> >>>>>>>>>>> moving us
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> toward waves of mass destruction . As for me, yes i really
>> am
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ready to hand
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> over my land and the very concept of property to the tribal
>> >>>>>>>>>>> peoples of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> north america. Would they want this mess, our mini-flags,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> banks and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> fracking machines? I don’t know, but I could not be more
>> >>>>>>>>>>> serious about my
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> acre of workspace , fruit trees, asparagus, maple trees,
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> stone walls.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> My whole life is about the effort to move myself and others
>> >>>>>>>>>>> toward an
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> ecologically sustainable life, and the biggest impediment
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> change is the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> settler colonialist warfare that continues from the ancient
>> >>>>>>>>>>> to the modern
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> world, that turns from warlordism to nationalism to
>> imperial
>> >>>>>>>>>>> warfare. What
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Israel and the US and China and Russia and Brazil and
>> Canada
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and so many
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> rapacious military dictatorships are expressing in this
>> >>>>>>>>>>> shared planet is
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> varying forms of sociopathic madness organized by self
>> >>>>>>>>>>> destructive
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> dreams, egomania, and imaginary polities that have ravaged
>> >>>>>>>>>>> our common sense
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> as animals, our friendliness as neighbors, our ability to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> choose life above
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> what they have too offer. And what do they have to offer as
>> >>>>>>>>>>> their
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> civilization crumbles? Comfortable places to watch the
>> world
>> >>>>>>>>>>> burn, endless
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> entertaining air conditioned shitpiles, debt, fat people
>> >>>>>>>>>>> eating big juicy
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> hamburgers and an all too violent and real global
>> >>>>>>>>>>> annihilation, James Bond
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> may or may not have lost his dick, but he stil has a
>> license
>> >>>>>>>>>>> to kill.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Zionism is the same disease as the master race, manifest
>> >>>>>>>>>>> destiny,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> salafism, pax romana, capitalism, militarism. Its origins
>> can
>> >>>>>>>>>>> be read by
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> anyone. Joshua crosses into “ the promised land” to kill
>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> sinful
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Canaanites or make them into slaves to the chosen
>> >>>>>>>>>>> people.”Blessed is he who
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> dashes thy little ones against a stone”. This fable has
>> >>>>>>>>>>> become the script
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> for modern day Israel, just as some version of this script
>> >>>>>>>>>>> has written so
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> much human history. It will script global suicide if we let
>> >>>>>>>>>>> it. If we
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> cannot prevent it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Zionism was never the remarkable part of Judaism, the
>> heart
>> >>>>>>>>>>> of this
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> holy path is to choose life, to love the great mystery of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> being wih all the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> heart and all the mind and the very kernel of life we have
>> >>>>>>>>>>> been given, and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to treat others as we wish to be treated.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Oct 13, 2021, at 4:14 PM, matthew cissell <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> mccissell at gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:mccissell at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Mach,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > So let me see. You seem to propose the annihilation of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Israel, a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> country
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > created whole cloth from ideas, dreams, stories and
>> more
>> >>>>>>>>>>> by carving
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> out a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > space for that community that had formed a nation but
>> >>>>>>>>>>> lacked a state.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Ok. Two things (that I'll say) occur to me: What do you
>> >>>>>>>>>>> propose for
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > people? Do you have some... solution for them as well?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Would it be
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> the same
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > for Arabic and Jewish citizens? What would it entail?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Next: If you (and others that share your view) are the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> descendent of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Europeans living in the Americas (or some other
>> previously
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > colonized place), I suppose you are also ready to
>> 'undo'
>> >>>>>>>>>>> your county
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > hand over your land to the indigenous communities. Or
>> are
>> >>>>>>>>>>> you writing
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> from
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > somewhere else, in which case we might talk about that
>> >>>>>>>>>>> place.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Criticizing the trespasses of any country or government
>> >>>>>>>>>>> is one thing,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> but
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > calling for its abolition is something else. The
>> actions
>> >>>>>>>>>>> of the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Israeli
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > government have often been reprehensible or even
>> >>>>>>>>>>> criminal, but that
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> does
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > not justify your language, which would certainly find
>> >>>>>>>>>>> applause and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> echoes
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > in a certain rising current in not only US political
>> >>>>>>>>>>> discourse but
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> more
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > widely.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > I'm responding not because I think your mind is likely
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> be changed
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> but
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > because I want you and others to know that in this open
>> >>>>>>>>>>> forum you
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> will find
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > voices that do not apathetically ignore your
>> statements.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Ne Obliviscaris
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Matthew Cissell
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 4:33 PM Mach Thomberi <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> machthomberi at gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:machthomberi at gmail.com>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> No we wouldn't want that would we. Deprive Israel
>> water
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> medicine.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> What would be marvelous. Would be removing Israel
>> from
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the map.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Cut it
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> out and dispense it into the ether.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Then do likewise of our collective memory of Israel.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Oct 13, 2021 9:23 AM, "Joseph Tracy" <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> I would not go so far as to cut Israelis off from
>> >>>>>>>>>>> medicine or clean
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> water
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> as they have done to Gaza, but a cultural boycott is
>> >>>>>>>>>>> potentially a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> way to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> bring the debate into a more public sphere. We need
>> >>>>>>>>>>> equally to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> confront
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> what so many in the western press and politics have
>> >>>>>>>>>>> done on this
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> issue.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> They have supported the insane idea that anyone who
>> >>>>>>>>>>> publicly
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> criticizes
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> Israel’s abuse of Palestinians is doing so out of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> anti-semitism.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> They
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> are
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> labeled anti-semitic even if they are Jews whose
>> >>>>>>>>>>> parents and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> relatives
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> survived or died in Nazi concentration camps.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> Sally Rooney said she would be honored to have her
>> >>>>>>>>>>> book translated
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> Hebrew but will not work with a publisher who does
>> not
>> >>>>>>>>>>> distance
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> themselves
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> from Israel’s aparteid treatment of Palestinians.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 3:44 PM, David Morris <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> fqmorris at gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> Why no comment? This is a place for opinion. As
>> for
>> >>>>>>>>>>> me, I say
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Bravo! I
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> think Israel deserves full apartheid treatment right
>> >>>>>>>>>>> now. And too
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> many
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> people are afraid to say so. There! I said it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> David Morris
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 3:25 PM Mark Kohut <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> mark.kohut at gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://forward.com/opinion/476513/why-wont-sally-rooney- <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> https://forward.com/opinion/476513/why-wont-sally-rooney->
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> allow-her-latest-novel-to-be-translated-into-hebrew/
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>> Pynchon-L:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> Pynchon-L:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>> Pynchon-L:
>> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Pynchon-L:
>> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > --
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Pynchon-L:
>> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > --
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>> <
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
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