Fool on parade

Fri Oct 15 14:17:35 UTC 2021

Mock thrombosis,

Why not treat us to some more of your insightful comments, ya know those
cute quips about the chinese fellow and his grammar questions, it clearly
makes you feel superior.
Or go back to wherever, txakura.

Your master

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 3:12 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com> wrote:

> This song, is eminently danceable.
>
> From your seat, rotate left and right, to the beat..
>
> Eminence front.  It's a put on!  Eminence front!
>
> Eminence Front - YouTube <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfrUQA2tb6M>
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:02 AM Mike Weaver <mike.weaver at zen.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi foax,
> >
> > I only checked my personal account to pay my electricity bilI and what
> > do I find...
> >
> > I was mysteriously unsubbed from the list in January 2020 and over the
> > months have made several attempts to return. No links worked for me. A
> > few days ago Olivia gave me a link that worked and I return to find what
> > - I/P anguish and now the electric universe, tragedy to farce in one
> > swift move.
> >
> > So whats' been happening - does the master get any attention or is it
> > just the creatures at play and war. My determined effort to get back on
> > was driven by my current re-read of Bleeding Edge, which I'm enjoying a
> > lot more second time round. Not caring if I can't remember who's who,
> > just tagging along with Maxine as she follows the trail.
> >
> > Better get back to work now - catch you all later.
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > On 15/10/2021 10:22, Mach Thomberi wrote:
> > > Why what.
> > >
> > > Surely we have moved from an atomistic evolutionary cosmos.  You do not
> > > believe that.
> > >
> > > The things that you do, the everyday things.  These are borne by,
> light.
> > >
> > > What guides your heart, your lungs, your kidneys.  You can call it
> > whatever
> > > you want.  Light.
> > >
> > > There is an electric universe, that exists as pulsations of varying
> > > intensities.  Beyond that, consciousness.
> > >
> > > Get used to it.  The electric universe is here.
> > >
> > > Or you may call it the Crystalline Realm.  It doesn't matter what you
> > call
> > > it.  Vibration.  Frequency.
> > >
> > > Light.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 9:13 PM Ian Livingston <
> igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Why? What is born of light?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:22 PM Mach Thomberi <machthomberi at gmail.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Now enough dick stroking.  Who wants to talk Israel?  No one but old
> > >>> people.
> > >>>
> > >>> Or maybe rather than that cesspool of grit and vagabondage (Israel),
> > speak
> > >>> of something that has light in it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Something that is not, Israel.  Not darkness.
> > >>>
> > >>> An illumination of light, that is making light, make light.
> > >>>
> > >>> We are here.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 7:08 PM Mach Thomberi <
> machthomberi at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> That is awesome.  Thank you David.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You too are the god of this list.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:28 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>> Thanks for the playlist.  I’ve been totally removed from almost all
> > new
> > >>>>> music these last few years. So an injection like this is good.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> But now, after listening to the first two songs, I catch your gist.
> > >>>>> About six years ago I had a very bad break up after 30 years
> married.
> > >>> She
> > >>>>> was harsh beyond words, and tried to literally destroy my life.  I
> > only
> > >>>>> made it through with the help of my closest family and a few
> friends.
> > >>> This
> > >>>>> was the song I most remember from that time:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCFC9LamNMmLioW643VZ40OA
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Gotye - Somebody That I Used To Know (feat. Kimbra) [Official Music
> > >>> Video]
> > >>>>> David Morris
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Good Luck
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:52 PM Mach Thomberi <
> > machthomberi at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> https://youtu.be/9TQKyDD9Yig
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> <https://youtu.be/9TQKyDD9Yig>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Mabel:  Smart and snappy pop.  Words right to the point.  I like
> it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> https://youtu.be/cw_L8HdoYgo
> > >>>>>> https://youtu.be/OCyL6pa_L4M
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> https://youtu.be/YpJAmlnBxoA
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> https://youtu.be/PmAglGdibYs
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> https://youtu.be/VkKxmnrRVHo
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> https://youtu.be/4XaKR_svmMM
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> https://youtu.be/CevxZvSJLk8
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:48 PM Mach Thomberi <
> > machthomberi at gmail.com
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> https://youtu.be/8N2k-gv6xNE
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> https://youtu.be/mqFLXayD6e8
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> https://youtu.be/dgjTO5eAbZY
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:46 PM Mach Thomberi <
> > >>> machthomberi at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/kHue-HaXXzg
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:45 PM Mach Thomberi <
> > >>> machthomberi at gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I don't get these songs.  I have not even listened to them.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> How they relate to Pynchon, well I might know if she didn't
> have
> > >>> all
> > >>>>>> my
> > >>>>>>>>> books.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:38 PM Mach Thomberi <
> > >>>>>> machthomberi at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I told my ex, because I couldn't stand the incessant texts--oh
> > >>> here
> > >>>>>> is
> > >>>>>>>>>> another one--that are mind and soul numbing iterations of
> sheer
> > >>>>>>>>>> obtuse rage, to try contacting me irather in songs.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Which she has proceeded in doing...
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:13 PM Mark Kohut <
> > mark.kohut at gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Nah, I think I'm more the kidney, too occasionally the
> spleen.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Go in peace.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:49 PM Mach Thomberi <
> > >>>>>> machthomberi at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Mark, come on, you are the god of plist.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> It would not exist without you.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> You are a Titan.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> You make light in a world of darkness.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 4:14 PM Mark Kohut <
> > >>> mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not think I am what you say about the plist. He is
> > >>> buried in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Milwaukee, with a seat in his name at his favorite movie
> > >>> theater.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I just 1) usually respond.    2) like to send some stuff I
> > >>> find
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> might interest and might lead to discussion.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am away from it for days and weeks at a time. Monroe
> never
> > >>> was.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry for your turmoil and loss.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:10 PM Mach Thomberi <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> machthomberi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We all know that you are the heart and soul of plist,
> Mark.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without you it would be the nonplist.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I sat down to write this, your email came in.  As I am
> > >>>>>> writing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, there is one from Morrrs.  Which I'll receive after
> > this.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The most amazing thing happened.  I left my woman a few
> days
> > >>>>>> ago..
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And in doing so, I told her that I can no longer bare her
> > >>> rage.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fair enough.  I was being the cool guy in leaving..  Then
> I
> > >>> got
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this email, from you idiots.  Saying something about
> Israel.
> > >>>>>> And it is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> obvious, that, something, like rage, fell forth.  I was
> > >>> telling
> > >>>>>> her about
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> her rage, when then something, emanated.  Perhaps there is
> > >>>>>> something within
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.  Maybe we suppress it.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The timing of it was exquisite.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And everything I say is true.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:48 PM Mark Kohut <
> > >>>>>> mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because it isn't TOTAL. 😇
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me FUCKING SIMPLIFY FOR YOU:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIDEN ADMIN CLIMATE PROPOSALS FULFILL THE UN GOALS.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will add that the admin has a TOTAL, speaking of
> > >>> totalizing,
> > >>>>>> ALL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF GOVERNMENT mandate re attacking climate change.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked into diplomacy, all other bills (if they can be),
> > >>>>>> executive
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orders, as has happened.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:52 PM Mach Thomberi <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machthomberi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One might what.  I didn't quite get the jizz of that
> > >>> mindless
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schpieel.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why can't we change it from the plist to the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TOTAL FUCKING KOHUT LIST.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2021 12:02 PM, "Mark Kohut" <
> > >>> mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, the US commitments to effect climate change, have
> > >>> been
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called by an
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside organization, policies that match
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the recommendations as necessary, that if all countries
> > >>> were
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and do would meet the goal
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of staying under 2 degrees Celsius per the recent
> MAJOR,
> > >>>>>> scary,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UN
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Report.....
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is, these policies meet the UN Report's
> > >>> recommendations
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stated goal. One might think the admin
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talked to the UN as that report was being written---the
> > >>>>>> science
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compiled
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over years, as we know--and met the guidelines. One
> > >>>>>> might.....
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 11:17 AM Joseph Tracy <
> > >>>>>> brook7 at sover.net>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I don't have that clear a take on some imagined
> world
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority  and I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish I could sincerely agree but at this point I stand
> > >>> with
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greta,  what we
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hear from so called leaders is blah blah, blah, and
> > >>> what we
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see is growing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms sales , continued growth in C02 emissions,
> threats
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violent
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blockades by the US,  mass survellance, publishers
> being
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tortured for
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publishing the same thing as the NY Times,  pipelines
> > >>> and a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revived nuclear
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms program.  I could go on but what is the point.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     It’s true that there are many, many people who
> want
> > >>>>>> change
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and they
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gladden my heart as they do yours. They are not yet
> > >>>>>> organized
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as an
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effective agent of change though most do what they
> can.
> > >>> In
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lead up to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the second Iraq war the world saw the biggest anti-war
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human history and the biggest global demonstration
> ever,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rivaled only by
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate crisis activism. It did not stop the war and
> was
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> barely covered in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the US press.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2021, at 10:00 AM, Mark Kohut <
> > >>>>>> mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will assert as baldly as your assertions that the
> > >>>>>> majority
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the people
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Pokey Little Puppy's Whole
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wide World are acting and imagining outside of this
> > >>> blanket
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condemnation:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   "imagine solutions than are not reliant on war,
> > poisons
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ecological
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rape."
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many businesses, many countries, with whatever else
> they
> > >>>>>> are
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also doing,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are acting FINALLY against this 'reliance".
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 9:51 AM Joseph Tracy <
> > >>>>>> brook7 at sover.net>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The historic creation of Israel is a subject that has
> > >>>>>> already
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> led to many
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many books and articles.  I have read quite a few of
> > >>> those
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> books. What I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said is what I said, and I wasn’t trying to ccomplish
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever you or
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mathew c think I should have been. But without a
> doubt
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so-called
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation of Israel has involved decades of assult on
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palestinians who
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lived there before the Jewish settlers came. It was
> as
> > >>>>>> much
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an act of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction and theft in my view as an act of
> > >>> creation. In
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same way the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “creation” of the US required a destructive assault
> on
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indiginous people.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Israel seems to me to follow the biblical paradigm of
> > >>>>>> Zionism
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layed out in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the legends of Joshua and later David. I think that
> is
> > >>>>>> clear
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite defensible as a proposition.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   As far as I can tell most countries are acts of
> > >>>>>> imagination
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violence based on tilling and armies, they are a
> > >>> product
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the paradigm of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> war . National borders and rules are usually a lot
> more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arbitrary than
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural human self organizing and require leaders
> > >>> imposing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxes  through
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violence. Since the advent of mass production and
> > >>> fossil
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuels we have a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new paradigm that combines the economic predations of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment capitalism
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the military power or imperial alliances. This
> is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly destroying
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the biospheric stability of the planet.  Our
> > >>> imaginations
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be put to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better use. We are not bound to follow our path of
> self
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction by
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything other than unwillingness to face the
> problems
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagine
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions than are not reliant on war, poisons and
> > >>>>>> ecological
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rape.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Mark Kohut <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without distinctions, your generalities about all
> > >>>>>> countries
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everywhere
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and when are always correct.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet say nothing substantive about the creation of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Israel--or any other
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country for that matter.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And do little (or nothing) for discussion of all
> your
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Historic evils
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but show us a nice, beautifully-expressed personal
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> credo--open to all: "the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart of this holy path is to choose life, to love
> the
> > >>>>>> great
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mystery of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being wih all the heart and all the mind and the very
> > >>>>>> kernel
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of life we
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been given, and to treat others as we wish to be
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treated.”
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guess what. That is not a personal credo, Those are
> > >>> ideas
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Judaism(
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Torah and Maimonedes) which I appreciate and try
> to
> > >>>>>> honor
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my life.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:21 AM Joseph Tracy <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brook7 at sover.net
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Annihilation is a loaded word. It sounds cruel and
> > >>>>>> violent.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Truthfully
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though, a name or concept or form of government can
> be
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eliminated or
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced without destroying human lives or poisoning
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth. Nations and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religions have changed and died before with little or
> > >>> even
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benign
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences. And those nations  that survived and
> > >>> rose to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become “great
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powers" have a pretty shitty track record to justify
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves. Imagine
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the people living life in peace.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don’t know exactly what Thomberi ( sounds a made
> up
> > >>>>>> name)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intending, whether tongue in cheek or weirdly
> sincere,
> > >>>>>> but I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think matthew
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> c is wildly sentimentalizing how Israel came into
> > >>> being.
> > >>>>>> As
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to what is to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be done. It is a question for all of us, not just
> > >>> Israel.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settler
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colonialism and its cruelties are embedded in most of
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world. Western
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> civilization as configured has desertified vast parts
> > >>> of
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globe, moved
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sane indiginous cultures into bantustans and is
> rapidly
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destroying the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diverse species upon which life as we know it exists,
> > >>>>>> rapidly
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving us
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> toward waves of mass destruction . As for me, yes i
> > >>>>>> really am
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready to hand
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over my land and the very concept of property to the
> > >>>>>> tribal
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> north america. Would they want this mess, our
> > >>> mini-flags,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> banks and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fracking machines? I don’t know, but I could not be
> > >>> more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious about my
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acre of workspace , fruit trees, asparagus, maple
> > >>> trees,
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stone walls.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My whole life is about the effort to move myself and
> > >>>>>> others
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> toward an
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ecologically sustainable life, and the biggest
> > >>> impediment
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change is the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> settler colonialist warfare that continues from the
> > >>>>>> ancient
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the modern
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world, that turns from warlordism to nationalism  to
> > >>>>>> imperial
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warfare. What
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Israel and the US and China and Russia and Brazil and
> > >>>>>> Canada
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and so many
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rapacious military dictatorships are expressing in
> this
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shared planet  is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> varying forms of  sociopathic madness organized by
> > >>> self
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destructive
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dreams, egomania, and imaginary polities that have
> > >>> ravaged
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our common sense
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as animals, our friendliness as neighbors, our
> ability
> > >>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose life above
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they have too offer. And what do they have to
> > >>> offer
> > >>>>>> as
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> civilization crumbles? Comfortable places to watch
> the
> > >>>>>> world
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn, endless
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entertaining air conditioned shitpiles, debt,  fat
> > >>> people
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eating big juicy
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hamburgers and an all too violent and real global
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annihilation, James Bond
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may or may not have lost his dick, but he stil has a
> > >>>>>> license
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to kill.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Zionism is the same disease as the master race,
> > >>>>>> manifest
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destiny,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> salafism, pax romana, capitalism, militarism. Its
> > >>> origins
> > >>>>>> can
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be read by
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone. Joshua crosses into “ the promised land” to
> > >>> kill
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sinful
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canaanites or make them into slaves to the chosen
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people.”Blessed is he who
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dashes thy little ones against a stone”. This fable
> has
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become the script
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for modern day Israel, just as some version of this
> > >>> script
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has written so
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much human history. It will script global suicide if
> we
> > >>>>>> let
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. If we
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot prevent it.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zionism was never the remarkable part of Judaism,
> the
> > >>>>>> heart
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of this
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holy path is to choose life, to love the great
> mystery
> > >>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being wih all the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart and all the mind and the very kernel of life we
> > >>> have
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been given, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to treat others as we wish to be treated.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2021, at 4:14 PM, matthew cissell <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mccissell at gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mccissell at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mach,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So let me see. You seem to propose the
> > >>> annihilation of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Israel, a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created whole cloth from ideas, dreams, stories and
> > >>>>>> more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by carving
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space for that community that had formed a nation
> > >>> but
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lacked a state.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok. Two things (that I'll say) occur to me: What do
> > >>>>>> you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> propose for
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people? Do you have some... solution for them as
> > >>> well?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would it be
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Arabic and Jewish citizens? What would it
> > >>> entail?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next: If you (and others that share your view) are
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> descendent of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europeans living in the Americas (or some other
> > >>>>>> previously
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colonized place), I suppose you are also ready to
> > >>>>>> 'undo'
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your county
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand over your land to the indigenous communities.
> > >>> Or
> > >>>>>> are
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you writing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere else, in which case we might talk about
> > >>> that
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Criticizing the trespasses of any country or
> > >>>>>> government
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is one thing,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling for its abolition is something else. The
> > >>>>>> actions
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Israeli
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government have often been reprehensible or even
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> criminal, but that
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not justify your language, which would certainly
> > >>> find
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applause and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echoes
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a certain rising current in not only US
> > >>> political
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discourse but
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> widely.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm responding not because I think your mind is
> > >>>>>> likely to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be changed
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I want you and others to know that in this
> > >>>>>> open
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forum you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will find
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices that do not apathetically ignore your
> > >>>>>> statements.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ne Obliviscaris
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matthew Cissell
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 4:33 PM Mach Thomberi <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machthomberi at gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:machthomberi at gmail.com>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No we wouldn't want that would we.  Deprive Israel
> > >>>>>> water
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> medicine.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would be marvelous.  Would be removing Israel
> > >>>>>> from
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the map.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cut it
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out and dispense it into the ether.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then do likewise of our collective memory of
> > >>> Israel.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2021 9:23 AM, "Joseph Tracy" <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not go so far as to cut Israelis off from
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> medicine or clean
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> water
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as they have done to Gaza, but a cultural
> > >>> boycott is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring the debate into a more public sphere. We
> > >>> need
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equally to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confront
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what so many in the western press and politics
> > >>> have
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on this
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They  have supported  the insane idea that anyone
> > >>>>>> who
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publicly
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> criticizes
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Israel’s abuse of Palestinians is doing so out of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-semitism.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> labeled  anti-semitic even if they are Jews whose
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parents and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relatives
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survived or died  in Nazi concentration camps.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Sally Rooney said she would be honored to have
> > >>> her
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book translated
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hebrew but will not work with a publisher who
> > >>> does
> > >>>>>> not
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Israel’s aparteid treatment of Palestinians.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 3:44 PM, David Morris <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fqmorris at gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why no comment?  This is a place for opinion.
> > >>> As
> > >>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me, I say
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bravo!  I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think Israel deserves full apartheid treatment
> > >>>>>> right
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now.  And too
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are afraid to say so.   There!  I said
> > >>> it.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Morris
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 3:25 PM Mark Kohut <
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark.kohut at gmail.com
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > https://forward.com/opinion/476513/why-wont-sally-rooney-
> > >>> <
> > >>> https://forward.com/opinion/476513/why-wont-sally-rooney-
> > >>> allow-her-latest-novel-to-be-translated-into-hebrew/
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pynchon-L:
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