Dune and psychedelic desert messiahs

[Mark Thibodeau]

I'm sure there will be some end-of-2001 style psycho-visual magnificence in
the second film (if we get it) during scene where Paul takes the maker's
water, and the true birthing of the  Kwisatz Haderach takes place.

"FATHER! THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED!"

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 4:13 PM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Correct. The protagonist's visionary inclination is well established
> considerably before his first contact with the psychoactive qualities of
> the "spice". In fact, I don't recall any reference to hallucinatory
> effects. That is imposed by trip-seeking viewers.
>
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 1:09 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It does not rely on tripping.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 3:51 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Good to hear it’s not a dog.  Early reviews said it was either sublime
>> or
>> > an overwrought-yet empty mess.  Sounds like it relies on tripping?  THAT
>> > could be a mess (usually is in film).
>> >
>> >  Thanks
>> > DM
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 3:44 PM Bruno <bruno.laze at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Saw it yesterday as well. A shout-out to Villeneuve's fidelity to
>> early
>> > > sci-fi aesthetics.  Reminds me of John Harris and pre-90s book covers.
>> > > Villeneuve shows much skill in making authorial, fringe ergotic
>> sci-fi.
>> > > What not to love when a genre goes artistic?
>> > >
>> > > Space travel: spice. A hallucinogen. To travel light is to get rid of
>> > brain
>> > > patterns.
>> > >
>> > > Le sam. 23 oct. 2021 à 12:50, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> a
>> écrit :
>> > >
>> > > > Went to see Dune last night, mostly Williams College kids attending,
>> > > > needed some escapist nonsense. It was well done I thought, good
>> acting,
>> > > > good music and sound effects if slightly over the top with the big
>> > drums.
>> > > > Visually severe, engaging, ominous in story-appropriateriate ways. I
>> > > > wondered if the whole heroic desert freedom fighters with Islamic
>> style
>> > > > might shake up the imagination of young watchers shaped by
>> anti-Muslim
>> > > > cultural atmosphere. Stayed quite close to the book, more condensed.
>> > Not
>> > > > sure visionary psychedelic messiahs leading desert rebels against
>> the
>> > > > exploitation of a cruel empire has serious relevance, but it could
>> be a
>> > > lot
>> > > > worse. It is only half the first book.
>> > > >   I thought Herbert made a big mistake killing off the ecologist
>> when I
>> > > re
>> > > > read the book most of a year ago. I still think so, too central as a
>> > > > redeeming theme.
>> > > >
>> > > > I have an increasingly hard time with big Iron machines traveling
>> light
>> > > > years through space while people fight with swords.  We are so
>> fucking
>> > > far
>> > > > from real space travel.
>> > > >
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