(np) good article for today

[Mark Kohut]

You, Joseph, have never ever admitted that you might have missed anything.
Even when I point it out only about me. Mirror image of a doubtless
ideologue.

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 10:38 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> I would say you missed not just the satire, which Schwarz engages in
> frequently and which is the essence of the disputed lines, but you missed
> or simply don't reckon with the substance of the article which was about
> the practical nature of what Wesley Clark called the policy coup of neocons
> at PNAC who wanted unbridled freedom to target those resisting US hegemony
> and even wrote that such freedom would likely require a traumatizing event.
> That this imperialist pride and general big dickism  is a major factor in
> these fascistic wars and  the  deep appeal to the patriotoc psyche  that
> these wars depended on despite their enormous failures to accomplish the
> stated goals of the neocons, is a premise Schwarz builds with practical
> historic reference to the breadth of the plans.  The final lines about
> Rumsfeld don’t need to persuade the reader in detail, or provide hacked
> notes form Rummy’s non-existant therapist,  the point is that these shits
> were crazy and that Rumsfeld personified their stupidity and personal
> ambition, we know they  easily seduced the Democrats  and the New York
> Times and spent trillions to accomplish exactly nothing but the massive
> loss of lives, civility, and hard earned money.
>    Most of these article about 9-11 and the shameful end of the shameful
> occuption of Afghanistan are a disgusting attempt to justify the whole
> fiasco of US militarism by summoning our good intentions. We did it so
> little girls could go to school, not to ram a bayonet up Gaddafi’s ass or
> terrorize the world with drones. Sure.
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> > On Sep 12, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Did I miss a satire here?. The Intercept-- of investigative reporting is
> > all I know of them---did a sly Swiftian piece on
> > Rummy?...where's the clue?.......
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> > On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 6:20 PM Michael Bailey <
> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> >> From: Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 5:38 PM
> >> Subject: Re: (np) good article for today
> >> To: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> But the reason they wanted to cobble together an excuse to attack Iraq
> — is
> >> that deep seated need for control and empery that the article’s premises
> >> (go way over the top to) limn…
> >>
> >> Perhaps the author even knows he is hyperbolizing (which Pynchon never
> >> does, of course) by the time he gets to Rumsfeld figuring that bombing
> Iraq
> >> will get his daughter to break up with the white guy with dreadlocks?
> >>
> >> Yeah, Rumsfeld, great dude who had no trouble ramrodding approval for
> >> NutraSweet thru FDA over vigorous objections of scientists, and then
> >> accepting $12 million from Monsanto after they bought Searle. And I’m
> sure
> >> he was a lot of help at the Pentagon…
> >>
> >> Not to speak ill of the dead. Requiescat in pace, Rummie, you go to the
> >> Bardo Thodol with the karma you’ve got, not the karma you might want.
> >> And nobody’s perfect. God bless and heaven help us all.
> >>
> >> But I think the Interceptor was right: the war on terror was itself
> mondo
> >> scary, and reflects the personalities of its architects.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 4:53 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What the Interceptor guy wrote is ridiculous; the way so many
> feelingful,
> >>> idealistic progressives go into fantasyland, into
> >>> being mirrors of Right Wing crazies. Conspiracy explanations beyond
> >>> reality all the time.
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> >>> Knowing a little history--looking it up-- and refusing to be so stupid
> >>> will lead one to understand that what Rumsfeld was talking about
> >>> was bad enough just as it was: wanting to gather all the info he could
> to
> >>> justify--lead to---the conclusion that the US had to attack Iraq
> >>> now and take out Saddam Hussein.
> >>>
> >>> Rumsfeld had not the power to even be Ahab, if one wants to work that
> >>> metaphor; he was Stubb if anyone. Bush would be Ahab if he hadn't
> >>> let Cheney be him.
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> >>> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 4:04 AM Thomas Eckhardt <
> >>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
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> >>>> Rumsfeld as Ahab?
> >>>>> The “it,” then, that Rumsfeld wanted to destroy on 9/11 was almost
> >>>>> certainly every frustration he felt at the rest of humanity.
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