(np) good article for today

[Mark Kohut]

Your response to my self-questioning is why you are not worth talking to
online, Joseph.

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 12:07 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> You, Joseph, have never ever admitted that you might have missed anything.
> Even when I point it out only about me. Mirror image of a doubtless
> ideologue.
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> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 10:38 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
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>> I would say you missed not just the satire, which Schwarz engages in
>> frequently and which is the essence of the disputed lines, but you missed
>> or simply don't reckon with the substance of the article which was about
>> the practical nature of what Wesley Clark called the policy coup of neocons
>> at PNAC who wanted unbridled freedom to target those resisting US hegemony
>> and even wrote that such freedom would likely require a traumatizing event.
>> That this imperialist pride and general big dickism  is a major factor in
>> these fascistic wars and  the  deep appeal to the patriotoc psyche  that
>> these wars depended on despite their enormous failures to accomplish the
>> stated goals of the neocons, is a premise Schwarz builds with practical
>> historic reference to the breadth of the plans.  The final lines about
>> Rumsfeld don’t need to persuade the reader in detail, or provide hacked
>> notes form Rummy’s non-existant therapist,  the point is that these shits
>> were crazy and that Rumsfeld personified their stupidity and personal
>> ambition, we know they  easily seduced the Democrats  and the New York
>> Times and spent trillions to accomplish exactly nothing but the massive
>> loss of lives, civility, and hard earned money.
>>    Most of these article about 9-11 and the shameful end of the shameful
>> occuption of Afghanistan are a disgusting attempt to justify the whole
>> fiasco of US militarism by summoning our good intentions. We did it so
>> little girls could go to school, not to ram a bayonet up Gaddafi’s ass or
>> terrorize the world with drones. Sure.
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>> > On Sep 12, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Did I miss a satire here?. The Intercept-- of investigative reporting is
>> > all I know of them---did a sly Swiftian piece on
>> > Rummy?...where's the clue?.......
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 6:20 PM Michael Bailey <
>> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> >> From: Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 5:38 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: (np) good article for today
>> >> To: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> But the reason they wanted to cobble together an excuse to attack Iraq
>> — is
>> >> that deep seated need for control and empery that the article’s
>> premises
>> >> (go way over the top to) limn…
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps the author even knows he is hyperbolizing (which Pynchon never
>> >> does, of course) by the time he gets to Rumsfeld figuring that bombing
>> Iraq
>> >> will get his daughter to break up with the white guy with dreadlocks?
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, Rumsfeld, great dude who had no trouble ramrodding approval for
>> >> NutraSweet thru FDA over vigorous objections of scientists, and then
>> >> accepting $12 million from Monsanto after they bought Searle. And I’m
>> sure
>> >> he was a lot of help at the Pentagon…
>> >>
>> >> Not to speak ill of the dead. Requiescat in pace, Rummie, you go to the
>> >> Bardo Thodol with the karma you’ve got, not the karma you might want.
>> >> And nobody’s perfect. God bless and heaven help us all.
>> >>
>> >> But I think the Interceptor was right: the war on terror was itself
>> mondo
>> >> scary, and reflects the personalities of its architects.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 4:53 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> What the Interceptor guy wrote is ridiculous; the way so many
>> feelingful,
>> >>> idealistic progressives go into fantasyland, into
>> >>> being mirrors of Right Wing crazies. Conspiracy explanations beyond
>> >>> reality all the time.
>> >>>
>> >>> Knowing a little history--looking it up-- and refusing to be so stupid
>> >>> will lead one to understand that what Rumsfeld was talking about
>> >>> was bad enough just as it was: wanting to gather all the info he
>> could to
>> >>> justify--lead to---the conclusion that the US had to attack Iraq
>> >>> now and take out Saddam Hussein.
>> >>>
>> >>> Rumsfeld had not the power to even be Ahab, if one wants to work that
>> >>> metaphor; he was Stubb if anyone. Bush would be Ahab if he hadn't
>> >>> let Cheney be him.
>> >>>
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>> >>> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 4:04 AM Thomas Eckhardt <
>> >>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Rumsfeld as Ahab?
>> >>>>> The “it,” then, that Rumsfeld wanted to destroy on 9/11 was almost
>> >>>>> certainly every frustration he felt at the rest of humanity.
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