Serious news from Europe on Ukraine

Wed Feb 9 21:12:23 UTC 2022

I also think you do not know too much on how news is gotten and reported,
Joseph, but keep trying.

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 3:25 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Huh?  Macron said Zelensky had agreed verbally to Minsk agreement (
> whether Minsk 1 or 2 was not stated). This does not appear in the Guardian
> this morning, Since I wrote I found the story in CNN but with the bulk of
> the article saying why it will never work. The NY Times  on Macron does not
> mention Minsk and minimizes Macron efforts. PBS had an article that
> included contradictory staements about Minsk
> "Macron said both Putin and Zelenskyy confirmed they were willing to
> implement the Minsk agreements — “the only path allowing to build peace …
> and find a sustainable political solution.”
>
> Macron also said the presidential advisers of France, Germany, Russia and
> Ukraine will meet Thursday in Berlin on the next steps. “It will take time
> to get results,” he said.
>
> Zelenskyy was mum on where Ukraine stands on implementing the Minsk
> agreements and whether he assured Macron that Kyiv is committed to do so,
> saying only that his country views Thursday’s meeting “very positively” and
> hoped for a subsequent meeting by the four leaders.”   PBS
>
> I am not a journalist Dietze, this story looked like major news to me last
> night, but I was surprised this morning when some mainstream papers did not
> cover it: The Guardian, NYT.  I did not intend to restart this thread, I
> honestly thought a breakthrough change was worth mentioning.  It is clearly
> a diplomatic process in progress with powerful  multi dimensional
> implications.  There are games going on with Zelensky wanting money from
> europe to stay out of NATO, US wanting to stop Euro dependence on Russian
> gas and to keep alive cold war madness US hegemony, Lech Walesa of Poland
> wanting to attack Moscow( If he was a real man he would join the Ukrainian
> far right and start driving), Macron wanting to bring a French led peace
> deal to his upcoming election, and rising food prices in Europe due to
> stoppage of Russian fertilizer, etc. etc.
>   The fact that the Minsk agreement may be back on the table makes sense
> to me for the prospect of peace. I do not believe Russia wants  or needs or
> has the slightest interest in going to war  for Ukrainian territory.
>  As to your snide comments on the illuminati  they are lame and without
> basis.  The US does a lot of coups and if Zelensky really decides Minsk is
> the way, I doubt that a coup option is , as these bastards say so often,
> ‘off the table’. The US is not neutral, they want Nato on Russia’s borders
> as close to Moscow as possible.  Finally The statement about Biden’s
> intention to stop Nordstream was a mistake on my part because that is how
> it was reported in one of the reports I read, and there was  no context
> that this was simply a repetition of the threat that this would happen if
> Russia Invaded. I should have looked more closely elsewhere. But the way it
> was reported it sounded like a change and that team Biden had some crazy
> plans to stop ithe pipeline regardless of any escalation.
>
> My reference to the likes of the Guardian, NYT, Reuters, AP, PBS as
> mainstream is not some private use of the term mainstream and your
> implications to that effect are misplaced. If you have a better term
> perhaps you could recommend it. I will not be calling them reliable or
> real  news since I don’t believe that.
>
> Below is the story from a Reuters reporter, but in a  publication I never
> heard of called the Star.
>
> KYIV (Reuters) - French President Emmanuel Macron on Tuesday said the
> leaders of both Russia and Ukraine had committed to honouring the Minsk
> accords.
>
> "We have now the possibility of advancing negotiations," Macron told
> Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy during a news conference after the
> two had held talks in Kyiv.
>
> The Minsk set of agreements were signed in 2014 and 2015 by the leaders of
> Ukraine, Russia, France and Germany as a response to Russia's annexation of
> Crimea. They include an aim to end the separatist war by Russian-speakers
> in Ukraine's eastern Donbass region.
>
> Russia has gathered tens of thousands of troops near its border with
> Ukraine but has denied plans to invade Ukraine.
>
>
> (Reporting by Michel Rose; Editing by Sudip Kar-Gupta, Tassilo Hummel and
> Alex Richardson)
>
>
> > On Feb 9, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Martin Dietze <mdietze at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 9. February 2022 at 17:38:34, Joseph Tracy (brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
> brook7 at sover.net>) wrote:
> >
> >> Apparently the mainstream media is ignoring this completely.
> >
> > Which “mainstream”? Seems yours doesn’t. Does that make it more truthful
> per se?
> >
> >
> >
> >> Zelensky may suddenly be removed as the US already is very pissed at
> him.
> >
> > Won’t happen. The reptiloides are on vacation, and the Illuminati are
> somewhat undecided on this matter.
> >
> >
> >
> >>  If so it will be obvious that the word democracy in no way applies to
> Ukraine.
> >
> > If your “mainstream” tells you so, it *must* bet true I guess. Funny,
> how people who have voted out all their presidents but one after their
> respective first terms could believe that this was “democracy” as Joseph
> and his “mainstream” now tell us there isn’t?
> >
> > Miracles happen...
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >]
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