AW: Re: Serious news from Europe on Ukraine

[Hübschräuber]

------- Original Message -------
Martin Dietze <mdietze at gmail.com> schrieb am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2022 um 08:41:

> I did address it. Debaltseve did not need to be included in the agreement, because it was never about particular places. It simply stated that both sides stayed where they are.
>
> Hence the situation is crystal clear.
>
> And really, this is getting silly. The facts around Debaltseve have long been known and are widely accepted. No need to keep pulling out nifty details in Russia’s defence.

Yes, you did address it.

I take your point on Debaltseve. Still, the situation is far from "crystal clear". As that other article noted: "This glaring omission was interpreted in different ways by different people." Your say one of those interpretations is the only valid one. I do not support the Separatists' interpretation of this part of the Agreement, as I know too little about the matter, but it should be mentioned that it exists.

I understand that "nifty details" are not relevant when one is "defending Russia" ( just as the Nuland-Pyatt phone call in which they selected the next Ukrainian government is "irrelevant"), but of the utmost importance when one states that the UPA/ONU collaborated with the Nazis.

As regards the grand scheme of things, these words by the noted Soviet/Russian propagandist George Kennan might be of interest:

"But something of the highest importance is at stake here. And perhaps it is not too late to advance a view that, I believe, is not only mine alone but is shared by a number of others with extensive and in most instances more recent experience in Russian matters. The view, bluntly stated, is that expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-cold-war era.

Such a decision may be expected to inflame the nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion; to have an adverse effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the atmosphere of the cold war to East-West relations, and to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking.“

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/05/opinion/a-fateful-error.html