NP: On the Ukraine thread

[Mark Kohut]

You've just been wrong about everything you say about the real world so far
that you have posted here.....I see....

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 8:55 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Your whole argument below boils down to I (JT)don’t have a reasonable and
> informed opinion because I don’t agree with your more informed and
> reasonable opinion.
>    Well I have been correct in most cases where I have had your exact
> argument leveled against me,  so I don’t find it particularly persuasive.
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> > On Feb 14, 2022, at 2:04 AM, Martin Dietze <mdietze at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On 14. February 2022 at 00:33:56, Joseph Tracy (brook7 at sover.net) wrote:
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> > The 'I lived there so I know' argument has always been iffy.
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> > Yes, that’s certainly true. However at least as iffy is the “I’ve read
> > several blogs about it and care about geo politics, so I know” thing. It
> > takes quite a bit more to come to a well-grounded opinion. And that’s
> what
> > I am vastly missing amongst holders of views like yours.
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> > Freedom of alliance has limits, Cuba was allied to Russia and was not
> > allowed to set up nuclear missiles. The issue is quite the same.
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> > I am sure Ukrainians would not mind becoming Nato members after signing
> > that they will never have nuclear missiles stationed on their soil. So
> > things will be fine, won’t they?
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> > You wish to call the words of Russian leaders propaganda, as though it
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> > applies to them, as though these you name-call as naive and gullible
> > leftists have not watched war after war propagated by lies from the anglo
> > alliance of US UK CAN AU; as though these outright lies had not cost
> > hundreds of thousands in lives, injury, dislocation, and trillions of
> > dollars all to accomplish far more harm than what little can be called
> > freedom or prosperity.
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> > Russian propaganda certainly has its share as it has shown to very
> cleverly
> > exploit existing views and existing phobia in their target groups. There
> > are quite well-informed people not agreeing with me with who I can lead
> > lengthy debates. There are others simply repeating stuff that is known to
> > be false and from well-known origins.
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> > I won’t comment on the rest of your post, since it’s not about Ukraine.
> > There’s lots of things to blame the US for, that’s for sure, but when
> > living in Ukraine or being closely related to people living there then
> you
> > get a slightly different sense of their magnitude.
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