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[Joseph Tracy]

     The CIA and Nato and the US government have a long history of deceit, and way too much practice at starting wars. Believe them at your peril. 
 What will make the difference between war and peace is whether Ukraine, or the Ukrainian far right, stays out of the Donbass until there is a ceasefire, and an agreement to not bring in mercenaries or Nato, in other word what Putin and his negotiators and now France agrees is the sound basis for resolution, the Minsk accords. If the Donabss is invaded, defensive weapons will be ulikely to deter conflict. Russia is already set up for and receiving children being evacuated from the Donbass. 

> On Feb 20, 2022, at 5:09 AM, Martin Dietze <mdietze at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 at 10:45, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I disagree. I hope he gets his request. Defensive weapons, not offensive,
>> will save lives if the invasion  happens. That matters a lot.
>> Look at the graphs of how outmanned and outtechnologized Ukraine is.
>> 
>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 9:06 PM Susan Hall-West <susanhw83 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> It may have been a pin drop moment, but I hope the mayor of Kyiv rethinks
>>> his request in order to avoid massive death and destruction of his
>> citizens
>>> and city. Quantity (of weapons) does not equal a "win" in this scenario.
>> 
> 
> Actually only fools would dream of "winning" a war against Russia. And,
> Mark I disagree with you here, defensive weapons will also not save lives,
> if the invasion happens.
> 
> Still giving defensive weapons to Ukraine can have an impact: since
> Ukrainians will fight, with weapons or without (what Ukrainians have said
> on this publicly is to be taken seriously), and the Russian regime knows
> this, modern defensive weapons will raise the price tag for an invasion.
> There is some chance that this may keep an invasion from happening. A war
> against Ukraine is very unpopular in Russia, despite all the propaganda.
> Putin can alienate his people only to a certain degree, and he is known to
> usually try to limit risks.
> 
> Hence these weapons could make the difference between war and peace.
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