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[David Morris]

Absolutely unbelievable

On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 4:49 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> It is you I don't believe.
>
> Wrong again every step of this situation.
>
> And everyone knows it too.
>
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 3:52 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> >      The CIA and Nato and the US government have a long history of
> deceit,
> > and way too much practice at starting wars. Believe them at your peril.
> >  What will make the difference between war and peace is whether Ukraine,
> > or the Ukrainian far right, stays out of the Donbass until there is a
> > ceasefire, and an agreement to not bring in mercenaries or Nato, in other
> > word what Putin and his negotiators and now France agrees is the sound
> > basis for resolution, the Minsk accords. If the Donabss is invaded,
> > defensive weapons will be ulikely to deter conflict. Russia is already
> set
> > up for and receiving children being evacuated from the Donbass.
> >
> > > On Feb 20, 2022, at 5:09 AM, Martin Dietze <mdietze at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 at 10:45, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I disagree. I hope he gets his request. Defensive weapons, not
> > offensive,
> > >> will save lives if the invasion  happens. That matters a lot.
> > >> Look at the graphs of how outmanned and outtechnologized Ukraine is.
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 9:06 PM Susan Hall-West <susanhw83 at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> It may have been a pin drop moment, but I hope the mayor of Kyiv
> > rethinks
> > >>> his request in order to avoid massive death and destruction of his
> > >> citizens
> > >>> and city. Quantity (of weapons) does not equal a "win" in this
> > scenario.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Actually only fools would dream of "winning" a war against Russia. And,
> > > Mark I disagree with you here, defensive weapons will also not save
> > lives,
> > > if the invasion happens.
> > >
> > > Still giving defensive weapons to Ukraine can have an impact: since
> > > Ukrainians will fight, with weapons or without (what Ukrainians have
> said
> > > on this publicly is to be taken seriously), and the Russian regime
> knows
> > > this, modern defensive weapons will raise the price tag for an
> invasion.
> > > There is some chance that this may keep an invasion from happening. A
> war
> > > against Ukraine is very unpopular in Russia, despite all the
> propaganda.
> > > Putin can alienate his people only to a certain degree, and he is known
> > to
> > > usually try to limit risks.
> > >
> > > Hence these weapons could make the difference between war and peace.
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