BEg2 chapter 12 digging in to summary

[Mark Kohut]

Pynchon knows basically* everybody *in the middle class (i'm exaggerating
for the truth here) in NYC goes to a therapist. Maxine is Everywoman New
Yorker.
She goes to whine, hence his label; but instead she listens to him. Another
joke.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 1:40 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> That was a joke, Mark ( the foundational principles). I always understood
> that emotherapy is not a real thing, but what is P spoofing? It’s all kind
> of made up and why is a smart person like Maxine going to Shawn is what I’m
> trying to get at.
>
> On Jan 6, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, I have a different reading on Maxine, and Shawn....but people are
> different in their interpretations and entitled to them....
>  And all I feel the need to say here is that I think Pynchon makes clear
> that there are no "foundational principles" of a practice that he is
> making fun of because it really doesn't exist.....Unlike Maxine's work....
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:16 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>> So Shawn was betraying the foundational principles of the practice by
>> replacing therapeutic whining with sitting still. That actually is kinda
>> zen.  Will Maxine report him to the emo licensing board?  In the slightly
>> more real side I would say that Maxine keeps going back to Shawn because he
>> is willing to confront Maxine enough to get her to think things through
>> more comprehensively, which on her own , she mght avoid. I think this is in
>> the nature of therapy for many, that  the ‘patient’ is giving someone else
>> permission to get to know them in an unguarded way, and use that insight
>> to be calmly real and honest with them about things they know they would
>> not be real and honest about. Something like that.
>>
>> I do wonder how you would look if you pulled an all-nighter at a sensory
>> deprivation tank? Is P implying way layed back or bedraggled? Oh the
>> mysteries.
>>
>> > On Jan 6, 2022, at 7:53 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Let's not overlook that an emotherapist is a joke of a therapist. P has
>> > created this compound word, ya know. (he's created others in BE,
>> > Shakespeare-like)
>> > Emo therapist is how it appears in real life but it isn't *really* a
>> thing.
>> >
>> > What is Emotherapy? - meaning and definition - Slang Define
>> > <https://slangdefine.org/e/emotherapy-2660.html>
>> > https://slangdefine.org › emotherapy-2660
>> > <https://slangdefine.org/e/emotherapy-2660.html>
>> > A form of rehabilitation of the mind by means of excessive and
>> continuous
>> > whining.
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JRKqmFvyI
>> > Emotherapy - 1. A form of rehabilitation of the mind by means of
>> excessive
>> > and continuous whining. I highly recommend you continue your emotherapy.
>> >
>> >
>> > https://emofree.com/unseen-therapist/prelim/read-this-first.html
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 6:30 AM Michael Bailey <
>> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Joseph Tracy wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Downtown to see Shawn the emotherapist, she tells him Horst is back,
>> >> he asks ”back?” she doesn’t know,  ends up sitting quiet for session.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the summary, Joseph!
>> >>
>> >> Shawn “ looks like he’s just pulled an all-nighter at a
>> >> sensory-deprivation tank.”
>> >>
>> >> Hey! I’ve tried those but never an all-nighter. They do offer them. I
>> >> think if he relaxed, he would’ve had a great night’s sleep.
>> >>
>> >> I always got fidgety around an hour, probably because I knew the time
>> >> was going to be up, even getting up to check…even though a buzzer was
>> >> going to go off. But the rest of the time was tres relaxing.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe Shawn is looking refreshed or maybe his hair is wet.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Church of Elvis in Las Vegas - bunches of similar names, no exact
>> >> match (though there is a church of St John Coltrane in San Francisco)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> What would Dōgen do?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://www.asianstudies.org/publications/eaa/archives/dogen-his-life-religion-and-poetry/
>> >>
>> >> He’d probably found a monastery or write a poem or something, but
>> >> since they only have an hour, Maxine opts to sit.
>> >>
>> >> Neither Maxine nor Shawn delves into the finer points of Soto Zen; the
>> >> point might be more about looking for an example in keeping with the
>> >> spirit of emotherapy, like those wwjd bracelets for a different belief
>> >> system.
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