BEg2 chapter 12 digging in to summary

[Joseph Tracy]

That was a joke, Mark ( the foundational principles). I always understood that emotherapy is not a real thing, but what is P spoofing? It’s all kind of made up and why is a smart person like Maxine going to Shawn is what I’m trying to get at.

> On Jan 6, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, I have a different reading on Maxine, and Shawn....but people are different in their interpretations and entitled to them....
>  And all I feel the need to say here is that I think Pynchon makes clear
> that there are no "foundational principles" of a practice that he is making fun of because it really doesn't exist.....Unlike Maxine's work....
> 
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:16 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> So Shawn was betraying the foundational principles of the practice by replacing therapeutic whining with sitting still. That actually is kinda zen.  Will Maxine report him to the emo licensing board?  In the slightly more real side I would say that Maxine keeps going back to Shawn because he is willing to confront Maxine enough to get her to think things through more comprehensively, which on her own , she mght avoid. I think this is in the nature of therapy for many, that  the ‘patient’ is giving someone else permission to get to know them in an unguarded way, and use that insight  to be calmly real and honest with them about things they know they would not be real and honest about. Something like that.  
> 
> I do wonder how you would look if you pulled an all-nighter at a sensory deprivation tank? Is P implying way layed back or bedraggled? Oh the mysteries.
> 
> > On Jan 6, 2022, at 7:53 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Let's not overlook that an emotherapist is a joke of a therapist. P has
> > created this compound word, ya know. (he's created others in BE,
> > Shakespeare-like)
> > Emo therapist is how it appears in real life but it isn't *really* a thing.
> > 
> > What is Emotherapy? - meaning and definition - Slang Define
> > <https://slangdefine.org/e/emotherapy-2660.html <https://slangdefine.org/e/emotherapy-2660.html>>
> > https://slangdefine.org <https://slangdefine.org/> › emotherapy-2660
> > <https://slangdefine.org/e/emotherapy-2660.html <https://slangdefine.org/e/emotherapy-2660.html>>
> > A form of rehabilitation of the mind by means of excessive and continuous
> > whining.
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JRKqmFvyI <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JRKqmFvyI>
> > Emotherapy - 1. A form of rehabilitation of the mind by means of excessive
> > and continuous whining. I highly recommend you continue your emotherapy.
> > 
> > 
> > https://emofree.com/unseen-therapist/prelim/read-this-first.html <https://emofree.com/unseen-therapist/prelim/read-this-first.html>
> > 
> > On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 6:30 AM Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com <mailto:michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Joseph Tracy wrote:
> >> 
> >> Downtown to see Shawn the emotherapist, she tells him Horst is back,
> >> he asks ”back?” she doesn’t know,  ends up sitting quiet for session.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Thanks for the summary, Joseph!
> >> 
> >> Shawn “ looks like he’s just pulled an all-nighter at a
> >> sensory-deprivation tank.”
> >> 
> >> Hey! I’ve tried those but never an all-nighter. They do offer them. I
> >> think if he relaxed, he would’ve had a great night’s sleep.
> >> 
> >> I always got fidgety around an hour, probably because I knew the time
> >> was going to be up, even getting up to check…even though a buzzer was
> >> going to go off. But the rest of the time was tres relaxing.
> >> 
> >> Maybe Shawn is looking refreshed or maybe his hair is wet.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Church of Elvis in Las Vegas - bunches of similar names, no exact
> >> match (though there is a church of St John Coltrane in San Francisco)
> >> 
> >> 
> >> What would Dōgen do?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> https://www.asianstudies.org/publications/eaa/archives/dogen-his-life-religion-and-poetry/ <https://www.asianstudies.org/publications/eaa/archives/dogen-his-life-religion-and-poetry/>
> >> 
> >> He’d probably found a monastery or write a poem or something, but
> >> since they only have an hour, Maxine opts to sit.
> >> 
> >> Neither Maxine nor Shawn delves into the finer points of Soto Zen; the
> >> point might be more about looking for an example in keeping with the
> >> spirit of emotherapy, like those wwjd bracelets for a different belief
> >> system.
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> >> 
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