more Ukraine research and thoughts.

[Martin Dietze]

Without hope to come to some consensus here, let me correct some
misconceptions.

On 24. January 2022 at 20:46:48, Joseph Tracy (brook7 at sover.net) wrote:

1)
The Minsk agreement was a ceasefire agreement between the Donetsk and
Luhansk also known as the Donbass one hand and the western side of Ukraine
are the other.

Wrong. Donetsk and Luhansk are the largest city in a region called
”Donbass”. Currently a little than half of it is under occupation.

Side note: Russia, the power responsible for that occupation insisted on
not being involved in that conflict and refused to be part of that
agreement.


Russia has always supported the fulfillment of this agreement in the
provision against foreign troops (NATO) and has never pushed for breaking
Ukraine in 2.

No, this is utterly wrong. Minsk II included a ceasefire and freezing the
line separating both sides (and hence their respective held territories).
The Russian proxies had failed to take the strategically important town
Debaltsevo before the agreement took effect. On Ferbruary 12, 2015 they
launched a vast offensive combining volunteer units, regular Russian army
units, using (banned) heavy artillery including the TOS-1 heavy
flamethrower system, took Debaltsevo and have kept it to this day.

After this blatant violation Minsk II was dead from day 1. Claiming that
Ukraine were to fulfil their part now - as Moscow does - is utter cynicism.


As Ukraine pushes to break the agreement by including Ukraine in NATO and
sending military equipment of all kinds to Ukraine, Russia has responded by
sending more military reinforcements to the border and asking for a written
agreement on nonaggression from the US .

This is nonsense again. The Ukrainian government knows very well that
whatever they do they will always lose to Russia’s practically limitless
military resources. The soldiers have been sitting in their trenches simply
in order to hold their positions, trying not to get killed by snipers.
Russia’s story of Ukraine planning an offensive to retake the occupied
territories (by the way something Russia herself would not hesitate a
minute to do in a similar situation) is far-fetched and far from the truth.


Russia continues to call for the Minsk agreement to be the basis for
peaceful resolution and has made no effort to divide Ukraine other than
ensuring the basic rights of ethnically Russian Ukrainians.

Interesting. So you think there is a distinction between ethnically Russian
Ukrainians and other Ukrainians? If you can tell such a difference, you’re
a genius. Ukrainians can’t. And they don’t care.

Interestingly in those parts of the Donbass not under Russia’s control
people are happy not to to be on the other side of the front, and they
enjoy the same rights as their compatriots elsewhere in the country do.

What I find rather intriguing is you stating this as a “fact” rather than
citing something you’ve read somewhere. So when have you been to Ukraine
recently? Where? You must be very well-informed.


I am skipping the rest. An opinion is nice to have, but as I have learned
in life getting the facts right should come first. There’s been so many
blatant errors in your introductory part that you should really not ask
anyone to read your opinion at this point.

Cheers,

Martin


-- 
Dr. Martin Dietze
[https://www.martins-braindumps.de/]
1. Vorsitzender
Deutsch-Ukrainischer Kulturverein e.V.
[http://www.deutsch-ukrainischer-kulturverein.de/]