more Ukraine research and thoughts.

[Mark Kohut]

You know what this intellectually "evil" post tells me, Joseph? You are IN
Gravity's Rainbow.

Cheers,

Mark

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:18 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Rights have nothing to do with it. Rights will not save people from
> artillery shells. The US is a nation that ignores rights whenever it wants
> to. Rights are imaginary unless you can defend them. Ukraine has no cosmic
> right to bring Nato troops into their country and If they do bring them in,
>  let the cosmos defend them.  This whole thing is a bet that Russia will
> back down, or that US ‘punisment’ will protect Ukraine. I think those are
> bad bets. I do not want war and I think war is avoidable and freedom for
> Ukraine is on the table but not if they insist on Nato. I  think Russia is
> serious and my example of Cuba was legitimate.
>
> What if Russia attacks any foreign troops wherever they are as soon as
> they enter Ukraine  and anyone who attacks them in any form? How will that
> play out for Ukrainian Independence. How big of a war do you hope for? What
> if , like Afghanistan , but worse, we( Nato) get our asses kicked. Will
> that prove how right you were about how bad “they” are? Then what? What if
> Russia is not bluffing, or lying, but it is  the US once again pretending
> to be fucking Superman, once again catching on to our stupidity too late,
> after the damage is done.  Will my nephew in the air force find actual
> combat with Russian fighter pilots as fun as his video games?
>  How big of a war will satisfy the US. Will Jesus sort it all out after
> the holocaust?
>
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 6:14 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> THEREFORE Russia has the right to invade Ukraine. QED. Tracy logic. A
> vision right out of that Jocbean text in Lot 49.....
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 3:49 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey, Cuba was a sovereign country too. And the US said no missiles.
>> Which, I think made sense and the US backed off with some of its missiles
>> which seemed to keep us for a while longer from a nuke ular holocaust, but
>> we still did a blockade of this sovereign nation, which Obama ended but
>> Biden continues,   It’s all kinda relative how some peope apply that
>> concept, even, lets say,  selectively opportunistic. Maduro is the the
>> elected leader of Venezuela in internationally monitored elections. But the
>> US is attempting to starve them with a blockade. 'Sanctions' is euphemistic
>> shit. Iran is a sovereign country too ,  but ok to starve them too and the
>> chickenshit Eurocountries who said it was wrong still went along with it.
>> Good ol sovereignty. Iraq was a sovereign country, lot of good it did them.
>> Not a lot of respect for the sovereignty of Yemen or Ethiopia  on display.
>> I could go on but i think the hypocrisy of how this claim is applied is
>> evident. And not just evident but evident wth evidence.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I did.
>>
>> I said Ukraine is a sovereign country recognized that way by almost all
>> the nations in the UN (and others). and under international law.
>>
>> read Roth on Harold Pinter.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 3:14 PM Hübschräuber <
>> huebschraeuber at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why don't you just address my points?
>>>
>>>
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>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>> Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> schrieb am Donnerstag, 27. Januar
>>> 2022 um 21:09:
>>>
>>> Yeah, I am as funny as the UN....and I reject all who want to redefine
>>> sovereignty.
>>> Supposed intellectuals who do not respect the Law, international
>>> law...who are really my wayu or the highway and might makes rightists at
>>> base......
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:54 PM Hübschräuber <
>>> huebschraeuber at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The sovereignty of Ukraine? You must be joking.
>>>>
>>>> Back in 2014, the US Deputy Secretary of State selected the next
>>>> President of Ukraine:
>>>>
>>>> "I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think
>>>> it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea."
>>>>
>>>> "Yats is the guy."
>>>>
>>>> As a bonus: "Biden is willing."
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
>>>>
>>>> Funny, how this phone call never ever gets mentioned. Funny, how nobody
>>>> wants to know who committed the massacre on the Maidan that derailed the
>>>> rather sensible agreement between the opposition and Yanukovich.
>>>>
>>>> Harold Pinter:
>>>>
>>>> "It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening
>>>> it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/2005/pinter/25621-harold-pinter-nobel-lecture-2005/
>>>>
>>>
>>
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