Fwd: Germany, experts on Nazism as they say here, tell Russia to fuck off and speak the truth many couldn't see.

[rich]

I think it does matter since right-wing terror has been underplayed in the
West (many supported by Putin) for quite awhile now. These groups thrive on
chaos. any country seeking whatever way you want to describe openess,
freedom, etc has to be vigilant against any ideology that seeks to crush
those ideals. The fight against Putin is the most important and dangerous
fight right now, but there will be others.
Who knows how this war will end. One can only surmise that both Ukraine and
Russia will be very different countries at the end, both most likely
bankrupt, Ukraine literally, Russia morally and financially, perfect ground
for such groups to breed. it's all so utterly depressing

On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 7:20 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does it matter if they exist?  I have agreed to accept that they exist. So
> where would that acknowledgment get us in understanding our present
> situation?  Does it justify it?  Would a survey of its pervasiveness help
> us decide a path forward?  I’m not being facetious here.
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 4:53 PM rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In Thomas' defense I don't believe he wants to see Ukraine humbled by
>> Putin but pointed out some nasty elements within Ukraine (a virus that
>> effects many countries) in its armed forces and establishment today and
>> historically. It doesn't mean anything more than it's a problem that may
>> need to be addressed in future. No one is saying the bulk of Ukrainian
>> forces are neo-Nazis just that they exist. Just like in Russia, US, in
>> Germany and elsewhere. I think acknowledging it is not falling for Russian
>> propaganda
>>
>> rich
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 4:33 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So, Thomas:
>>> *What IS your argument*?
>>>
>>> Do you have a point to make?  I think a lot of us know that you think
>>> *Ukraine
>>> has ALOT of neo Nazis in its ranks*.  So, *if that’s true*,  what is your
>>> argument now?  How should we let that information (let’s just say it’s
>>> true, for the sake of your argument), direct us as a world body *right
>>> now*?
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 4:07 PM Thomas Eckhardt via Pynchon-l
>>>
>>> Lovely. When you have no arguments, just shoot the messenger.
>>
>>
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