Fwd: Germany, experts on Nazism as they say here, tell Russia to fuck off and speak the truth many couldn't see.

[David Morris]

I wasn’t looking for an abstract or philosophical answer about whether it
matters that they exist.  I have agreed to the stipulation that they
exist.  I guess I asked the wrong question.

*HOW* does it (acknowledging the existence of a right-wing schism group in
Ukraine (I DID NOT say terror group - you added that)) matter ****Right
Now***  *as members of this World Body Politic?

1. where does that acknowledgment get us in understanding our present
situation?

2. Does it justify it? (Russia’s Invasion and War?)

3.  Would a survey of its pervasiveness help us decide a path forward?

David Morris

And, God forbid, Putin decides to lob a “small” nuclear weapon somewhere or
other, can we all agree that a neo-Nazi presence in Ukraine really doesn’t
fucking matter anymore?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:03 PM rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it does matter since right-wing terror has been underplayed in the
> West (many supported by Putin) for quite awhile now. These groups thrive on
> chaos. any country seeking whatever way you want to describe openess,
> freedom, etc has to be vigilant against any ideology that seeks to crush
> those ideals. The fight against Putin is the most important and dangerous
> fight right now, but there will be others.
> Who knows how this war will end. One can only surmise that both Ukraine
> and Russia will be very different countries at the end, both most likely
> bankrupt, Ukraine literally, Russia morally and financially, perfect ground
> for such groups to breed. it's all so utterly depressing
>


> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 7:20 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Does it matter if they exist?  I have agreed to accept that they exist.
>> So where would that acknowledgment get us in understanding our present
>> situation?  Does it justify it?  Would a survey of its pervasiveness help
>> us decide a path forward?  I’m not being facetious here.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 4:53 PM rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In Thomas' defense I don't believe he wants to see Ukraine humbled by
>>> Putin but pointed out some nasty elements within Ukraine (a virus that
>>> effects many countries) in its armed forces and establishment today and
>>> historically. It doesn't mean anything more than it's a problem that may
>>> need to be addressed in future. No one is saying the bulk of Ukrainian
>>> forces are neo-Nazis just that they exist. Just like in Russia, US, in
>>> Germany and elsewhere. I think acknowledging it is not falling for Russian
>>> propaganda
>>>
>>> rich
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 4:33 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, Thomas:
>>>> *What IS your argument*?
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a point to make?  I think a lot of us know that you think
>>>> *Ukraine
>>>> has ALOT of neo Nazis in its ranks*.  So, *if that’s true*,  what is
>>>> your
>>>> argument now?  How should we let that information (let’s just say it’s
>>>> true, for the sake of your argument), direct us as a world body *right
>>>> now*?
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 4:07 PM Thomas Eckhardt via Pynchon-l
>>>>
>>>> Lovely. When you have no arguments, just shoot the messenger.
>>>
>>>
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