Fwd: Germany, experts on Nazism as they say here, tell Russia to fuck off and speak the truth many couldn't see.

[Thomas Eckhardt]

The journalist from Haaretz will be delighted that a German tells him
that his article about anti-semitism in Ukraine is "shit", "bullshit"
and has to be filed under "the Kremlin's lies".

Funny how the "list of credible sources who claim otherwise"
morphs into "the Kremlin's lies" in the course of your post.

People who, like me, offer a different opinion on the crisis and back it
up with evidence from mainstream sources, "have made this war possible"?
Are you on drugs?

 > Also now our "expert" claims Ukraine not to be a peaceful country; in
 > the Russian war in the East Ukraine is allegedly the aggressor, which
 > is pure nonsense

I never said that Ukraine was the aggressor in East Ukraine. You
invented that. I am well aware that it is more complicated than that.

You invented it because I pointed out in my reply that your claim that
Ukraine was a "peaceful country" was obviously false. For eight years, a
civil war has been raging in Ukraine which has cost 14,000 lives until
the end of January, the majority of them in the "independent republics".
If that is a "peaceful country" for you, I politely beg to disagree.

More generally speaking, the lack of regard for the lives of ethnic
Russians, be it the pogrom of Odessa or the shelling of the Donbas, is
quite astonishing. And I am trying to be polite here.




Am 11.03.2022 um 08:20 schrieb Martin Dietze:

> The question has never been whether nazis exist in a society. They do in
> pretty much every one.
> Німецький вертоліт claims far more:
> That they are a decisive force in Ukraine which is plain bullshit (yes, and
> now will come the usual list of links to some credible sources claiming
> otherwise).
> Then comes of course the antisemitism claim which, too, is absurd as the
> biggest jewish organisations in Ukraine keep confirming (again backed by
> the usual list of some credible sources claiming otherwise).

> Making such bold statements about a country someone does not know has
> become quite commonplace when it's about Ukraine. And when somebody is just
> again and again repeating the Russian disinformation bible (which, as good
> propaganda always is, is a mixture of some genuine facts, half truth and
> plain lies), I can usually tell it, because I have been confronted and
> struggling with this shit for the last more than 15 years. And one thing is
> clear from the start: you can never convince such people. They are true
> believers, absolutely certain that they are on the TRUE PATH. So best you
> can do is argue in order to convince others.


> However now the time for arguing is over. Russia has brought open, all-out
> and terrible war to that country. We are all struggling to help where we
> can. RL has got so much more important than online debates.



>
> That's why for now I am answering you but will keep telling німецький
> вертоліт to fuck himself. People like him have contributed to make this war
> possible by spreading the Kremlin's lies and deligitimising Ukraine's cause
> in Western societies' public. There is no excuse for this anymore.
>